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Mormons are completely fucking retarded.

Mormons... Dumb.

Joseph Smith was the only one of Jesus' disciples to get shot in the face with a gun.
Of all religions, I would have to say the Mormonism is the most delusionally retarded.
The fact that we have a presidential candidate that believes this crap is almost as offensive as our current president that believes this crap.
I have respect for most people's religious views. Catholics, Baptists, Jews, and even Pastafarians.
But Mormonism is just outright ridiculous.
One of the scariest things about Mormons, is that they have the capacity to believe anything... No matter how insanely and comically unsensical.
"(The book of Mormon) was done in a space of three months, using scribes while Smith translated (from golden plates) from behind a curtain."
If the level of sophistication required to brainwash millions of people into a religion was displayed by Smith, we all have the capacity to start a religion.
After all, there must be a group of people in the world that would tithe to a religion that was rooted in a story of a guy like me, sitting in my bathroom with a black light, reading my wall splattered feces like a Rorschach Inkblot Test.
Just as logical, and just as ridiculous.

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Brett on :

Complete friggin retards. At least christianity is based on multiple accounts, but this is completely mormonic, i mean moronic. This dude Smith finds these gold plates only he can read (Clue 1 that he's a con). Then, God says "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife, so stock up on ones own before thy wife section at thy supermarket runeth out." Clearly, this guy couldn't get a date, so this was a massive attempt to stock up on all of the dumb woman he could find at one time. Freaks. BTW, this is considered a CULT and not officially recognized as a religion by the Catholic or Christian community. The reason = no factual truth behind their doctrine. One mans word is equal to an opinion (Joseph Smith) and warrants a dictatorship or a cult. Hence Waco, TX.

Anonymous on :

You must be mormon haha

nasrin sadegj on :

IF YOU BELIEVE IN ONE LIVING 'GOD' , 'GOD' OF "ABRAHAM (A)" THEN YOUR RELIGION DOES NOT MATTER, NEVER THE LESS, I WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE TRAINING AT THE MORMON CHURCH, ON THE SCHEDULED DAY OF MY BATISM, IN FRONT OF MY EYES, MY FRIEND MADE AN ANONIMOUS PHONE CALL AND TOLD THE MORMON CHURCH THAT MY ONLY INCOME WAS A CHECK FROM THE GOVERNMENT, THEY CAME BY ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AND TOLD ME THAT THEY HAD A CHANGE OF MIND AND "FOR MY OWN GOOD", THEY WILL NOT BAPTIZE ME, SO NO MONEY, NO MORMONISM...!!!

Justin Ramos on :

So not true I have been going to that church 4 3 months and the Mormom church does anythung 4 u if u don't like it bad 4 u but they r good people and their church is true!!!!!!! If u want comments do u see people posting comment about your church from millions of people !!!!!!but if you think this church is not true you are the wrong person here you have your own beliefs but this church is true and if you can talk smack on the Internet you might as well go to the Mormon Church and say to their faces but if you can't say it 2 there faces then don't bother posting negative things on the internet about the Mormon Church!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous on :

Fucking idiot

Josh on :

LIAR bishop would never do that LIAR

john latour on :

i grew up in utah. more than one of your bishops offered to suck my cock when i was only 11 years old. fast forward 40 years and there is still mormon bishops cruising around at night looking for young guys while thier wives stay at home and wonder if he is truly a latter day saint. you fuckers gotta lotta balls calling yourselfs saints. want a war? u mormons are pussies and assholes

Justin O on :

Mormons are a bunch of pussies faggots that probably would believe in the tooth fairy and Santa and leprechauns and shit if you preached it to them well enough. All mormons should burn. They can take their gold plates and pedophile bishops and all suck each others dicks till they choke to death. Fuck mormons, I'll scrap with any one of them.

Mahatma Gandhi on :

All Mormons are bisexual so do not let them get too close. Whatever you do do not wrestle with them.

Anonymous on :

Well okay that's kinda gross but guess what?Theres this thing, I hear it's called not being perfect, and I hear it's the new thing. No, check that, it's been the thing for all the time we've been on earth. You think that to be a good, true religion everybody has to be a saint? Well I'll tell you right now. Not the case. See, the LDS church isn't perfect. The people aren't perfect. We have flaws. But we still believe in our religion. And the bishops that did that? Flawed. But does that make the church any less true? Oh, one Christian had an abortion and prayed to a priest and was forgiven. But look here, this Mormon kid didn't keep the sabbath day holy and bought something on Sunday. That must mean their religion is all wrong and that they are teaching bad stuff! Just because a member of the church does something against what we believe, doesn't mean we are spreading lies about our church, or make it any less true. Yes, that rule applies to EVERY member in the church, whether it be bishop, young women's leader, etc. it's the person that does the sin, not the church. This makes me a little upset because some people can't see it that way.

Anonymous on :

Actually, most of us would say it to the mormon'sfaces if we could.

Anonymous on :

You Mormons hate gay and lesbian couples. also blacks. fuck you mormon fucks. worst religion i the world. Great for week people like you dumb ass week simple mormons. PS mormons suck

Vanessa F. on :

Bull fucking shit you Mormon cunt.

My husband has successfully sued and won against you dipshits. WHAT CHURCH HAS A RIGHT TO GO INTO SOMEONES HOUSE AND TAKE STUFF THAT THE CULT DOESN'T LIKE AND THROW IT AWAY? And then threaten with excommunication, which they did, if they sue? And $5000 worth of stuff he owned turned into a nice cool $75K.

And the "help" you get? "Deseret" brand food that tastes like SHIT?

I'd rather have a nice HOT cup of coffee with a NEWPORT and laugh in your face while you burn in hell.

Anonymous on :

shut up fag.

Anonymous on :

your an idiot

Anonymous on :

Mormons are fucking evil they killed. My son and destroyed my family my home they are not of God the docters in this town won't even treat me I am shunned and outcast .is there no Lawys to proteck people from them they are teaching in public schools turning children against there parents thes people laugh at destroying someone if you not part of them they will try to kill you .isolate a person for purshment I know I have been for28years please stay away from them they are straight from hell

Anonymous on :

been through the whole Mormon thing....you are an idiot....this church is a cult and has a different jesus and God.....wake the fuck up...

michael on :

dude, grew up in Utah for 36 years you are so wrong....

truthfinder on :

You ex Mormons are right --Mormons are lying demons from hell as the mormon pr machine destroyed a beautiful girl named Joyce McKinney with a worldwide press hoax maligning her character for 38 years! In 1977 they sent her fiance Kirk Anderson on a mission to break up their wedding plans and when Joyce --an ex-mormon--went over to england to help him escape the cult, they put Joyce --a gorgeous former miss Wyoming usa--intup. Îo prison AND DESTROYED HER good name WITH CHARACTER ASSASSINATION! THEY PUT A FAKE STORY ON THE WIRE SERVICES THAT SHE HAD "Kidnapped AND RAPED" 330 pound 6'5" Kirk Anderson TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT HE and JOYCE made love! Joyce was a VIRGIN BEFORE SHE MET HIM! Their multi-million dollar mormon missionary image was at stake, so the mormon pr machine also dissiminated this fake story in newspapers and tabloid rag mags all over the world, and all over the internet, and four years ago was the source of slander in a pornographic counterfeit movie slandering her beyond comprehension! The movie was distributed by Mormons out of Utah! Joyce sued the producers for millions of dollars and the mormon cult leaders were so worried the lid would be ripped off and their 1977 cover up exposed that they brought in their top lds attorney to block her former fiance from testifying and admitting/exposing the truth! The perverted mormon sourced movie "tabloid" caused her mother to commit suicide and devastated Joyce and her family! It is case number lc095322 in los Angeles superior court! Please pray for her as this sick film destroyed her health but she is still fighting to clear her name and expose what the mormon cult did to her!

Jerome Rome on :

The Mormon religion is a sick made up joke. It's absolutely appalling that anyone would buy into their disgusting doctine. Forcing 11 year olds to marry pedophilesomeone and rapists while the older decrepit wives slowly did of loneliness and exhaustion from raising 30+ demon spawn youth at a time. Sick incestuous pedophilia inclined freaks... you Mormonshould are worse than anything I can conjure in my mind to put into words...

Zartinian on :

YOU INSENSITIVE IDIOT!!! YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A MORMON CHURCH IN YOUR LIFE!!! THEY WOULD NEVER TURN THEY'RE BACK ON SOMEONE WHO COULD BE SAVED!!! WE ARE BOT SELF ABSORBED!!! WE BELIEVE IN THE EXACT SAME STUFF EVERYONE ELSE DOES!!! WE ARE NO DIFFRENT!!! AND THERE IS NO TRAINING!!! AND WHOEVER WROTE THIS IS AN ANIMAL WITH NO HEART!!!

jim hampton on :

Shut up Zitinian! You inbred goat molester.

Aggeliki on :

Mormons are a bunch of paedophiles, misogynist and child abusers that allow their children to be molested. the doctrine is wrong, Jo was a fraud (ffs wtf is about these golden plates!!) and their people are just abused and brainwashed to believe all this crap. This is a cult encouraged to exist by paedophiles to satisfy their sick intentions. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT CHRISTIANS whatsoever I am not the one to encourage christianism, I respect all religions including the paganists which were most probably right. These fckers leave their children brainwashed and uneducated, Baaaaaad people.

Javier on :

Sorry man, i've never seen a religion that teaches God lives in a specific planet and that you can become one someday. Those ideas come from a narcissistic liar, and are folowed by a bunch of..... Righ!! you gussed
MORmONS

Anonymous on :

Lol...I'm dying. Your "religion" is literally a bullshit con some guy whipped up to make money

Tristan Carlston on :

And u base this ABBSULUTE PROVEN FACT SIMPLY BECUZ U SAY IT IT CUNT Fuck off mormons a fuck

Anonymous on :

You can't even spell "Anonymous" and fail to sound somewhat educated so I'm doubting your credibility.

Anonymous on :

Complete idiot! We have blessed many lives and you say were retarded!? Flippin idiot!

Corrine on :

Mormons are the most sheepish, bigoted inbred fanatical, hypocritical morons I have ever met. It's about money for the people in charge, status for the one in the middle trying to climb up, and the poorest are kept under thumb. I lived there as an outsider having no previous opinion. I saw years of ridiculousness. They are MUCH worse than Catholics with hiding child molestion. It's a chomo's paradise out there. They're infested with them. It has the highest internet porn usage, the highest prescription drug abuse, the 2nd highest pedophile rate, etc... They use the N word in public and are VERY mysoginistic. Truth

Anonymous on :

Who r we to judge what r u god lmao

Anonymous on :

Fag

jordan on :

Being a mormon i have also done wuite a bit of studying from both the book of mormon and the bible/he could only read them because god gave him two translating tools the urim and thumim/ polygomy has been looked down upon in our religion for over 100 yr./ the current president of the church is actually good friends with the pope, look up a picture/when the book of mormon 11 men all "witnessed" it/

Jack the Giant killer on :

There was no urim thummum he put his little rock in his little hat and shoved his face in it then started "translating" come on don't you totally brainwashed Mormons even read your own church printed propaganda? That was in the Ensign magazine! Omg you people are pathetically ignorant.Here's what really has me baffled. Yes all of it is true, no it's not all lies! Who are you people trying to deceive on here? These are ex members of your church who have seen it along with myself! We know your lying to try to save the sanctity but it's too late the jig is up the secret is out so stop already! Are you totally brainwashed Mormons so mentally stupid that you think that everyone is as gullible as you? We saw the light it's ok now go to mia maids or relief society or do a love bomb but get off here this is for us you have your thing so go just go! It scares me that so many smart intelligent people can fall for such a ridiculous fraud as this so called church it really does. Then to see them come on here and try to hide it away makes me sick! Did you people read me? Sick sick sick! Your pathetic. Ok I'm done now. :-)

fuck you on :

GO FUCK YOURSELVES > GO SUCK A DICK YOU CHRISTIAN SHITS / EMUS

d on :

shut up lil bitch.

ggggg on :

savage

James on :

unsensical is not a word. I think you meant to say nonsensical. Anyhow, I agree with you.Mormons are brainwashed from birth idiots,most no smarter than a retarded rodent.

cathhater on :

Catholics are fucktards too.They say they are what they are but then fuck mass people, use birth control( that's supposed to be a sin), go to strip joints, and give birth to multiple kids before they graduate highschool. Hypocrits!

Fuck u on :

i bet ur a mormon who just sucked a little boys dick and then u heard someone say a stereotype so u based ur life around it

Anonymous on :

shut up

john on :

look all catholics are retarted remeber the ten commandments. only the high preist could go behind a curtain to see them. also people back in jesus' time were not as educated as we are now so jesus could of done a magic trick and the world would be like holy fuck its the son of god praise him. all religions can be washed away by a dose of common sense and a bit of science

The One on :

Actually, no religion is based on evidence. They are all untrue and fucking retarted.

Gloria on :

You are telling truth to the Mormon
Say talk about god are jesus they are Lying the don,t me and my husband left they like to put more money in and we side no we are fix income
They don,t they take out food money

andrew on :

Me too haha. That stupid fucking show was on with the multiple Mormon families, disgusting. Those people are a disease to society. I wouldn't say retarded, well maybe their women. The men just want to fuck a different woman every night, its actually kind of genius. Marry multiple women sleep with all of them and pollute the overpopulated world with your completely fucked up offspring. Why fucked up?? Because they are being raised moron. Oh shit I mis typed too hope I'm not turning Mormon. The women are hilarious to let their husbands do that. Haha no thanks fuck you Mormons stop reproducing, this works is already over full of retards

Anonymous on :

Learn how to write dumbass.

Anonymous on :

I agree religions are crutch for idiots. I once knew a person you tried to convince their is a god because he didn't know where lightning and thunder came from. He also told me that rainbows happen when God is happy. Basically instead of learning basic math just say god did it. Fucking idiots.

Nunya Ausunto on :

haha I google "are mormons retarded" and this is what I got. Hilarious

Aggeliki on :

Lol, I googled Mormons are fucked up twisted :-)

Kristie on :

hey I just have a comment, I am not a mormon, but I find it so interesting that so many people bash this church, I mean if it a hoax and fake, then the people in it are the dumb ones, why waste your time bashing on it? Obviously there is something to it if so many people feel entitled to talk bad about it and "try" to prove its false, because as much studing and searching I have done, there is not true hard facts or evidence any of it is false, only alot of this bull shit, and theories, why don't you get your facts straight before wasting your time on pulling others down.

anon on :

It has been proven false that Indians are not related to Jews which is in the Mormon book by Dan evidence there is I'm sure much more that can be proven false I'm sick of my daughter's friends mom asking my child to church I have repeatedly asked her not to do this I wonder if there is any legal ramification for her continuing to do this

Karen on :

I am one. I was baptized a Mormon a few years ago and the day I did, the local lottery numbers came up my boys birthdays. If that isn't fun enough the numbers are 9911. Fun. You could say, I suppose...that it is because my joining this faith is a dire emergency. I have an entirely different take. I was raped. I was pregnant with a boy at fifteen who happens to be of Jewish descent on his father's side. I gave birth to my rape baby and raised him. He was born on 9/11. He's grown now. He is native American in part, as am I. I was raped a few years ago.this man flashed the bible at me (among other things) and laughed at my Mormon and called me a polygamist. Somehow that justified the rape in hs mind. He also pretended to be my Obama, although I don't feel entirely like Mitt from that encounter. That's two rapes in my life thus far, when the average woman the chance is one in four. I believe I'm exactly the kind of woman Jesus shows up for. He is with me, and I am with them. Generally, rape has been a problem for me without the Mormons. I've started emailing every congressman about their inability to enforce laws. I'm in the "c" last name senators. I'm a little angry about the lack of enforcement in ths place of hate. My rapes never have been prosecuted. These stupid blogs are not helpful also. Incidentally, Joseph smith suffered the same as me. It wasn't people with guns did in my prophet, it was lawless people who did a Jesus Christ all over him and marked him and same right here. The lawless and the cowards and in the end, I kow you'll meet God and be bowed down for your rape and hate. And if nothing else it will be your own children raped which I am struggling so hard to prevent. if I had no other motivation for seeking this justice out, it would be that my one other son was born on mother's day. I was baptized into the reformed church at 12 on mother's day. So it makes me feel extra maternal, even towards your own children. If you want a good argument that still includes God, you could always say that my first baptism was not an offense to God (as Joseph Smith claimed) because it's marked by my son and it was a very special holiday. I have a response to it but it's a pretty powerful argument that does not remove God. I guess I could give you a seek Jesus type lesson in all of that. Why bother? Not everyone is for God and it is prophesied so. Fall away. Be a rapist. Beat me up. I'm only trying to rescue your children. Try and answer God for that. I'm sad for most people. Truly.

Anonymous on :

You are totally fucking retarded. You should be euthanized.

Anonymous on :

Did you proof read the shit you wrote. Wtf

Jesse on :

How the fuck would you know if the man who raped you is jewish. Was he all like alla kabar im a dirty jew now im going to stick my penis in you. Bitch you are fucking retarded,

reality on :

Wake up. You seriously think that the Mormons will save you even tho law and order couldn't. Nothing can save you from the evils of the world. The only thing that you need in your life is faith and wisdom. Not a ignorance on golden plates and some guy who had visions that spit in God's face and degraded his good people. I'm not for killing Mormons but it's obvious that if you invoke the wraith of God then your going to get the wraithof God.... Example: your great leader stabbed to death in a prison after a mob gathered outside . Might not say that's Christian but that's what happens when you taunt God. History repeats itself. Do yourself a favor and get your child out of that religion asap your relgion is destroying family's across the world causing parents to reject there kids because one day they say hey this relgion makes no since at all I'm going to do my own thing. Your kids were brought to earth to enjoy the blessing of God , not to be submitted to your relgion as you were submitted to rape. Mormonism is rape.

Anonymous on :

liar, you are a moron. Only morons would defend the moron religion.

Badger on :

For one, Kristy has half a point in that there seems to be a lot of bashing by many with a somewhat questionable understanding of the concept of religion. Although I feel that she is rather hypocritical herself in that she was compelled to sit here and bash the people who have posted comments. When an idea is presented to someone, it is only natural to question it and express their own opinion. It is not a waste of time because to question is the only way to truly learn. Question teachers, question authority, question me, question yourself, otherwise you will only gain a half understanding of someone else's point of view and nothing more.

The way I see it, if I answer the door and have to deal with some random stranger at my doorstep trying to preach to me and handing me some lame pamphlet, then I have every right to log on and talk about how rediculous it is.
I mean seriously, way to copy the Jahovah's Witnesses. At least 3 quarters of Jahovah's Witnesses where smart enough to leave the faith when the world didn't end in 1925. They changed it to 1975 and even more left when that one was proved wrong as well.

For any one to say that their way is the only way is in itself ignorant. It is the belief itself that the individual holds that makes such things relevant in their lives. I feel that Jesus Christ and Sidhartha Gautama had many of the same ideals, though Jesus had the misfortune of having his teachings twisted and contradicted by a bunch of degenerate Romans as a means to gain power and denounce the pagan traditions that where previously practiced in Rome, while Sidhartha's teachings where kept intact by his followers in that their culture was left undisturbed for thousands of years of peace without the need for the power struggles that plagues the birthplace of Catholicism even today.

And as far as Joseph Smith is concerned: he was an eccentric and a racist who had already been convicted of fraud prior to the founding of the church.
His claims about the Native Americans where ignorant and prejudiced. Jerusilum is located in the middle east, therefore even if they did come to America, they would be tan skinned as well, Jesus had tan skin and so did the ancestors of every human being that ever lived. Polygamy is chauvinistic. If a man can have multiple wives, then a woman should be able to have multiple husbands. And his obvious ignorance of geology and history is actually really kind of funny, it's also pretty sad.

At least L. Ron Hubbard had an imaginative scam, even if it was just as moronic.

Cian on :

Christianity and Islam are almost identical in structure, how is it that you can respect christians but consider islamics to be insane?

Dullahan on :

if you can defend Islam, you obviously have no understanding of the Quran.

Anonymous on :

dude islam and christianty are not in any way the same

DaTruth on :

I'm agnostic theist but I don't mind Christianity, Judaism, and Buddhism that much. Not too sure about Hinduism. However, Mormonism, Scientology, Islam, and Shintoism are the most retarded religions. Why people believe those 4, I have no idea.

jay on :

How can you even lump shintoism in with the others, it's not even close to how crazy the Abraham's religions are. Just a belief in energy and spirits in nature, and reverence for nature, family and ancestors. If you've been to Japan you'd understand that in the way it's practiced there are no rigid doctrines or beliefs other than respecting elders. In fact it's compatible with any other religions as shown by the many shinto/Buddhists.

L.Ron Hubbards Ghost on :

every religion is retarded, but mormonism, evangelical-pentecostal, and scientology just take the cake made of retarded fetus'. I have respect for those who can question their faith and accept that their holy doctorines are a tad exaggerated, but I have zero respect or tolerance for the people in these religions, or any fundementalist of any religion.

Mr Dasher on :

I laughed so hard at fetus cake. Omg. That is the funniest thing I've heard in some years. Thanks for that.

HeadshotHoncho on :

Smith translated from a hat not from behind a curtain. You respect Pastafarianism beliefs? Hahaha! I'm a Pastafarian and I don't respect the beliefs. I repect the religion. No-one actually believes in the FSM, it's just a comical way of being an atheist. That's why I am one.

But anyway, nice piece. I agree with you; Mormons are FUCKING RETARDED. I actually googled "Mormons are fucking retarded" and got this haha!

Geoff on :

Why bash the mormons? Because they're a bunch iof fascist wads. While I think anyone is free to believe whatever they want, this bunch of kooks has taken it upon themselves to quietly co-opt the Boy Scouts, as well as get involved in the Proposition 8 battle in California. I say screw 'em - they want to play politics, they lose their tax-exempt status. Asswipes.

denier on :

I'll stop calling you retarded when you learn how to spell

Anonymous on :

you are callinf us retarted when we have the savoir so before you point fingers saying there retarted look in the mirror and point to yourself

Anonymous on :

Dear Mormon anonymous,
Use correct grammar and spelling when arguing against being retarded. Just a thought from an agnostic.

Anonymous on :

CUNT CUNT CUNT KILL YOURSELF FUCKWAD, YOUR BISHOP RAPED MY MOTHER FUCKING CUNT!!

Richard on :

Anonymous, look how your religion was created you idiot. FUCK MORMONS, WIERD GULLABLE BASTARDS!

strap on :

Fuck the Mormons. They are just a very large cult that changes its doctrine according to political pressure. Perhaps "their" God can't make up his mind. Examples being. ..poligamy and African American men holding the priesthood. Fuck them for not knowing how to differentiate between matters of church and state with their involvement in prop 8. Fuck you all brainwashed cult members. May the real God have mercy on you

tiffany lewis on :

Ive never been part of the mormon religion and never would be I am catholic born and raised catholic presby I hate the mormon rek
ligion I think it is a cult made up of a bunch of lazy pigs

kay on :

im an atheist, but i think you guys are going too far with all this. everybody believes what they believe. theres no right or wrong thing about that. the only thing that is wrong is when ya'll write stuff like all that. 'fuck the mormons' 'FUCK MORMONS, WIERD GULLABLE BASTARDS!'
**S T E R E O T Y P I N G.
shit, all of you just shut up and be happy;)
nobody like negativity,
i bet most of you guys dont even think about other ways earth was created&shit. just believing what you were grown up believing. think about it, its all science. oh, and if there was a god, would he really want you guys to be saying 'fuck mormons' and shit? hahahahaha you guys are so stupid, and you dont see how dumb and immature you are being. bye:)

Anonymous on :

fuck you tard

Jessica on :

The problem with these dumb religions is that they get into the politics of our country; they try to keep gays from marrying and they spout religious nonsense that has influence over people who have NOTHING to do with their stupid faith. Believe anything you want but KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

"we all have the capacity to start a religion"
Totally. That's what cults are. And most cults are just an excuse for creepy old dudes to have sex with underage girls.

Anonymous on :

Fuck you you mindless twat.

Ryan on :

Jessica there is nothing wrong with religious people playing a role in politics. Gays, Lesbians, & Transexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry in this country. What religious nonsense would you be referring too that has influence over people? You know its not exactly a matter of religion as much as it is a matter of morality. I know the difference between right & wrong as do most people. Homosexuality is considered a sin among the religious community. I am not a part of that community but I still know homosexuality is wrong. Animals might take part in it but a human being should know better. You can have love for the same gender but that doesn't mean you should try to engage in sex acts with them. Many of the problems we have in this country is because of the lack of religion. Killing babies left & right isn't helping anything. What they should be doing with these whores that want abortions is killing them along with the bastard child. Just line em' up in the streets & put one in the head. But then again a complete theocracy is definitely not the answer this country needs. We really just need a good shot of common sense & morality. That'd help put us back on the right track.

Anonymous on :

Wow anyone who believes that humans are bound by any "moral" code is stupid. Morals come from society's view of norms. It used to be normal to own slaves, it used to be normal to beat your wife. Basically no one on this damn earth is allowed to tell anyone else what they have to do.

John on :

wow dude seriously, what are we animals or something. So you think it is normal to kill another human being just because in your eyes morals were invented by society. You're practically saying we should all behave like animals and mate with whomever we want. So its ok to mate with a family member? because according to you morals don't exist and we should do whatever the hell we want. And another thing stop insulting people for what they believe. Just because you have a way of thinking doesn't give you the right to bring someone down. That just shows how ignorant and uneducated you are.

Tk (Admin) on :

Ok, I rarely respond to comments, but this is directly from Ryan's Facebook page... " Anyway I'm a high school graduate (barely) who drives truck for a living (if you want to call it that). I've enjoyed blogging in the past but rarely do it anymore. I've never been married, have no kids, & still live at home with the folks. I have no real ambitions in life, zero initiative, & that is kind of sad. I do enjoy trucking but g** da** these cut rate sons of bit**es are making it hard out here for a man to make an honest living. Well have yourself a good day or as they say down south, "have a good 'un!"
Ok he is single and one of his favorite quotes is "I ain't got no panties on". His political views are... and I quote " Anti-Obama/Pro-Fox News"
Ok, so he's a redneck racist truck driver who is God-fearing and loves to knock up lot-lizards at truck stops and then wants them and their babies shot? Sounds like he must LOVE Fox News!
Man, Ryan... I'm sorry you feel inadequate for barely graduating high school, becoming a "truck driver", and having your Uncle finger you in the third grade. It mentions "lying with a man" in the bible, but it mentions lying, stealing, and banging lot lizards ten times as much. Way to selectively read the bible you inbred WalMart red-neck white trash hillbilly.

Veronica on :

Ryan, there is plenty wrong when religion interferes with politics. There is a reason our founding fathers insisted that there was a separation of church and state, and we see it in our constitution. Gays, Lesbians, & Transexuals do have the right to marry. I'm personally not gay, I'm a straight married woman, but I understand that being gay is not a choice. I know you like to think it is, but I have been studying sexuality for years, and our brains are hard wired from a young age (usually around 4 to 6 years old) to have certain preferences. It can be a attraction to women with blonde hair, or men with tan skin, or even people of the same sex. I know you must think it's all sexual now, but our personal preferences in a partner have different levels. I for one am into tall Asian men, and my husband happens to be a tall Asian man. That's not to say that I'm ONLY sexually attracted to him. I'm in love with him, he's my best friend. I appreciate his intellect, and conversation, romance, etc.

People who are gay most likely first have that physical attraction towards each other, just like an heterosexual couple. Afterward, they fall in love, and the attraction is on many levels, including personality, interests, etc, just like any other normal couple. People seem to have the stereotype that gays are cheaters and just want to have sex. WRONG. Most gay people long to be in long lasting relationships or be married. I for sure have never met a promiscuous gay or lesbian. Homosexuals can't hide their attraction for the same sex, the same way you probably can't hide your affection for blonde's with big boobs. These things are just hard wired.

More than 50% of marriages in the USA end in divorce. I gays diverse the right that so many straight Americans abuse. If you really are a religious man, you would realize to let these people be. As far as I know, God is the one and only being that can pass judgment. We should not choose whether two people of the same sex should be unified or not. If they truly are committing a sin (which I know they're not) then they will be judged accordingly by God, and not by man. Spread love, not H8. This is the word of the Lord.

Steve on :

I live in Utah, I was born into a mormon family, raised a mormon. I am a straight white 19 year old male, so as stereotypical as possible right? I am also and atheist, I have no interest in religion, I have had it shoved upon me my whole life and I got sick of it. I happen to think that for the most part, religious people are arrogant, and uneducated.
I also hate shoving what I believe on others, if I did, like most Atheists do, I'm just as much of an asshole as everyone I complain about.
Now to my main point, Your comment was intelligent, well structured, and you don't sound like an asshole. I Really don't know the specifics of homosexuality, which you seem to, but I don't think its a question of whether or not its choice, I don't think it matters, to me its a matter of do we really have the right to tell them how to live their lives? Why would they have be treated different legally from heterosexual couples? I'm sorry I'm rambling, I just wanted to thank you for sharing your opinion correctly.

Dave on :

I find it funny that catholics call mormans retarded, and muslims call christians retarded, and jews call buddhists retarded. If you believe there is a magic man that cares about your day to day shit...... you are retarded. Each and every one of you. When you die, your retarded life is over, so stop being retarded. Fucking retards.

Anonymous on :

dude, prop 8 was the act to ban gay marriage, and it was proposed and funded BY THE MORMON CHURCH!!! This is the problem with fox news, msnbc, and all other radicals trying to pass themselves off as serious news. They create misinformation to control public opinion. If you dont want to be thought of as racist or hillbilly, and want to have your opinion be treated with respect, then educate yourself and have a clue what your talking about. Until you do, your just helping to prove our point.

Ryan on :

Well Mr. Tk it seems you failed to read the part about me being an atheist. I know I didn't exactly say it but it wasn't that hard to read into. I never said the bible says this or that. In fact I never used the word "Bible" at all. I said "among the religious community" so where did I selectively read anything? I don't know what I said to make me look racist to you. Oh wait a minute it must be because I'm not an Obama lover. I take it you read something & put your own spin on it even if its not really there to begin with, right? Also I don't know if you know where Michigan is on the map but not too many redneck hillbillies live up there. Those quotes on the facebook page are just random bullshit you hear out here on the road. You know like the "lot lizards" you say I must be fucking because that is a stereotype of truckers you like to think is true. I understand you must not have liked what I had to say. So really it wouldn't matter what my facebook page had said you'd still twist it around to your liking. I could've said I worked at a fast food place & you'd say how I like to put my own "special sauce" on the burgers or what have you. I'm sorry you don't agree with me but rather than tear me down why not explain why instead? Its easy to bash someone when they say or do something you don't agree with. With assholes like you administrating this site I take it I should've just kept my words to myself. Problem is I actually agree with what you had to say with the "fucking retarted mormons". Yeah that reminds me why did you bleep out what I wrote on facebook when you've got fuck this, fuck that written all up & down this page? I'm surprised you failed to mention scientology. Let me ask you something here. I'm guessing you're a homosexual or at the least a very liberal person. To each his own man, you be all you can be, its all right by me. Just don't go hating on someone because you don't like what they have to say. It makes you look like a complete douche bag.

Veronica I know what you're saying with the whole seperation of church & state in the constitution. I hope you know the majority of our fore fathers were religious. They knew what they were doing when they put that in there. They didn't want the same shit that was happening across the pond to happen here. I find it hard to believe they wanted a complete seperation though with so much religious acts that occur around politics. Our money reading "In God We Trust." The prayer they say in Congress too. We used to have prayer in schools. That fucking ACLU is something else. Some of the shit they fight for is just too much. I mean c'mon the fucking "manger scene" offends atheist people so its ACLU to the rescue. Its like this whole deal with them wanting to build a mosque on ground zero (near it, whatever). I'll bet the ACLU will get involved somewhere along the way. They've got over a hundred mosques in the damn city already. There is one reason & one reason only why they want to build this one. Anyway I digress I don't see how religion playing a role in politics would be deemed an interference. I do see how Obama & his cronies totally ignoring the constitution on the other hand as interfering. No money to spend on anything but its alright because he is black so no body is going to say its wrong or they'll be deemed a racist. Much like the admin has demonstrated with me being anti-Obama so I must be racist. Fact is I am not a racist & if I was it'd be hard to do what I do. Don't get me wrong I hate anyone that the word "nigger" describes. White, Black, Hispanic it doesn't matter. I don't hate any particular race. I do hate the ones that choose that "gangsta thug" lifestyle & those that just want to sit on their ass & let the government take care of them. I don't hate gays either. I'm just old school when it comes to marriage. If they want to be together then fine as long as they don't shove their love for each other down my throat. The people in California voted against Proposition 8 but a gay judge ignored them & let it roll. What ever happened to the "majority rule" in this country? People weren't for nationalized healthcare either & look where we're at now. The people have no say anymore it seems. I guess anything is possible when they can put a black man in the white house who wasn't even born here. You know what surprises me though is how he is still breathing. Pelosi & Reid too for that matter. Oh well hopefully our childrens children will have it back on track...

Nathan on :

My wife's family was taken in by the con man Joseph Smith from the very beginning. Got his hooks into the poor bastard (actually he was wealthy) and sucked him dry. Smith was as slick as Bernie Madoff. All he ever did was ask for cold hard currency (gold silver) or your belongings (cattle/oxen/mules) and he handed out his freaking blessing in return. After giving the "prophet" $30,000.00 in gold and belongings Smith told him "your children will never beg bread". No shit?? An neither will yours you thief. Then there was the good old Kirtland Safety Society Bank bank in Kirtland OH. Ohio would not charter the Mormons a bank so they started their own with donations from our family. In exchange they got paper money that two years later were only good to start a fire.The poor man left Kirtland witrh $7.50 in his pocket and a broken down team of mules to take him to Missouri. (where the garden of Eden was/and was going to be the new Zion)

i hate you all die in hell on :

you guys are losers. im a mormon teenager and think you guys have no life. go to hell you bastards. ill smash your faces in :-D. LOL man i pitty you guys who believe there is no god. where do you think we came from? the big bang? where do you think the protons which created it came from? there is only ONE explanation

Anonymous on :

Mormon, huh? "Go to hell." What hell, punk ass? Grow up and realize that your "One Answer" is just a ridiculously crafted (but unfortunately apparently believable) way to steal your families money and reward them with the "priesthood" (Which everyone has inside of them but somehow YOU people only think they can use it when some blonde haired blue eyed mother fucker pats their goddamn head) Kill yourself, you fucking cattle.

Tk (Admin) on :

I rarely make follow up comments but I needed to respond to "i hate you all die in hell".
This entry has nothing to do with God. It simply points out that - no matter how dumb some religions appear to be - Mormonism is perhaps one of the dumbest.
I do not claim to know where the molecules of our beginning originated. However I am convinced of one thing. They did not originate is Joseph Smith's penis.
Joseph Smith was a liar, a scoundrel, a bigot, and a snake oil sales man.
The mere fact that modern people ate up his absurd story about "golden plates" and seer stones is about as believable as me reading your future from your poop.
Maybe there is a God, but as far as Joseph Smith goes, I hope there's not - because he'd be in a very warm place right now indeed.

Anon on :

Sex isn't that serious.

Nathaniel Sorensen on :

You are f'ing retarded! The fact that Joseph Smith was the only disciple shot in the face, first, he was shot in the chest, second, he was the first lds around when guns were around! Disciple also refers to anyone who believes in God. There were hundreds of LDS who were shot. Joseph Smith's death is not something to make fun of! He died because people thought he was crazy! The curtain for the translation of the Golden Plates, was a sacred thing! Do you think Joseph Smith would let people just walk in and say "Oh! You're translating the book of Mormon?" It was so sacred, he wouldn't let his own wife see it! We have the capacity to believe what our prophet (Thomas S. Monson currently) tells us to. They are pretty much all for the benifit of our bodies. No drugs, alcohol, or tobaco, you answer why that is bad. The modest clothing, that's so we do not be the view of people you don't know. And the no dating til 16 rule, i mean COMMANDMENT!! It so we will not have an extremly serious relationship (you know what I'm talking about) until mariage.

Flo on :

When you seek the Lord with all your heart, He will reveal himself to you.

All of us have sinned and fallen hsort of the glory of God.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

He died for our sins, so that we might have eternal life.

The wages of sin is death. Jesus' death satisfies the wages of sin. He has taken the cost upon himself beacause he loves us that much. Believe in him and that he did this for you and rose again, and you will have eternal life. There is no other way.


I totally understand everyone's frustration with all of these twisted up doctrines. They are twisted and very deceptively crafted. That's what causes all that angst you feelbecause their is something in your God given conscience that tells you it's not right.

Continue to seek the Lord with all your heart, he will reveal himself to you. Jesus is the way, the truth and life.

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Flo on :

When you seek the Lord with all your heart, He will reveal himself to you.

All of us have sinned and fallen hsort of the glory of God.

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

He died for our sins, so that we might have eternal life.

The wages of sin is death. Jesus' death satisfies the wages of sin. He has taken the cost upon himself beacause he loves us that much. Believe in him and that he did this for you and rose again, and you will have eternal life. There is no other way.


I totally understand everyone's frustration with all of these twisted up doctrines. They are twisted and very deceptively crafted. That's what causes all that angst you feelbecause their is something in your God given conscience that tells you it's not right.

Continue to seek the Lord with all your heart, he will reveal himself to you. Jesus is the way, the truth and life.

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

btw-I totally agree with you nathaniel.

cakeatmidnight on :

Joseph Smith is the ultimate con man! Brilliant, yes!! Mormons destroy families all the time. As a matter of fact, the wonderful bishop and his family are buying, I mean preying on my 18 year old daughter right now. They buy her clothes for church and free dental. They have even offered to pay for her to go to college in Utah. Isn't that wonderful. We want her to grow up and learn to pay her own way, but they are undermining everything we are trying to do. They want her to marry their son. We sure don't want that to happen. If you don't think Mormons are deceived just read where Jo Smith got the book of Abraham--what a joke! Jesus in America, not a bit of evidence for their most true book ever written--Book of Mormon--what a joke!

I hate you all die in hell on :

So what you guys are saying is that some uneducated farmer suddenly made the book when he didn't even know how to read? Only someone inspired of god could do that. And btw Mormons don't break families apart. Why don't you try talk and understand where your daughter is coming from. And to all you critics who think the book of Mormon is a joke and a book of lies, I would like to ask you people a question. How many of you have read it to know for yourselves?

cakeatmidnight on :

I hate you all die in hell--you are cracking me up. That is the funniest name I have ever heard of. Do Mormons believe in hell? The Bishop told me they didn't. I thought Joseph Smith was known for money digging or something like that. I also thought he could read. I have read the book of mormon and it really makes me sick that people fall for it. Luckily, I am familiar with the Bible and believe there are false prophets. The Bible says God is a spirit, definitely not a man who has progressed to godhood. If you don't use the Bible for truth, you can fall for anything. As for my daughter, we have asked the Bish and family to give us 3 months for counseling, as she may also be anorexic. Instead, they go behind our back and buy her everything she wants. They keep telling her how strong she is and the only way to happiness is with Moronism. We love her and want her to chose for herself and not be bought by the richest family in town. So, we had to send her to Africa because these mormons are crazy stalkers and will not leave her alone. I mean no disrespect, but have you read about the book of Abraham and where it came from? Have you researched Masonry? Moronism is so frustrating to me because soooo many great people are being deceived by it. Someone inspired by Satan can do amazing things too. Do you know why Joseph Smith was in jail? He may have been crazy, but there is a real reason he was in jail. Have a good day I hate you all die in hell. I am still laughing, for some reason that cracks me up.

I hate you all die in hell on :

He was in jail because everyone hates him. And btw I could easily say that Jesus was a carpenter so he couldn't have been the mosiah but whatever. People believe what they believe so don't say crap or you will get hit

I hate you all die in hell on :

(I hate you all die in hell - BTW I live in NSW, Australia)
I agree I hate you all die in he'll. Btw I'm gay and horny

wtf on :

i have a kid in my high school who is morman and she is the biggest hypocrit i have ever met in ways as she is a whore a lier a thief a grass and she drinks caffeine i know they shouldnt because i googled it but although i have nothing against religions i admit that alot of them are congregated by horny bastards and rapists and thiefs they give hope and relief to people who would otherwise be hanging themselves or be completly miserable and as for gay marriage i have nothing against it although i think it may just be the result of a faulty genome. thanls for reading.

I hate you all die in hell on :

211.30.159.99

Good one faggot

cakeatmidnight on :

I think it is probably hard to live up to all the mormon expectations if you are a member of church. If you are in high school, the girl was probably raised a mormon and it is not really her choice. As far as I am concerned, Jesus will do the judging, not me.

To: Die--I was hoping for a little better dialogue on the topic of mormonism. Have you read the book of mormon?

wtf on :

people need heroes people need hope what people dont need is retards like joseph smith shoving shit down their throats i must admit that it must be hard sticking to everything in a religion but the bitch at my school just says shes mormon but she really isnt i know a few of the mormon beliefs but she goes against just about everyone of them. and the teachers at school empower her beause she got raped or something but i think you shoudnt get things given to u so easily and u shouldnt be judged by wat happened to u but what u do urself and i hate you all die in hell u can go and eat my shat. (long live halo and bungie........)p.s i have not read of more shit

Grace Lee on :

Hiya guy,
Right mormonism is a belief nothing on fact. But is any religion based on fact that everybody agrees with. People are entitled to their own opinions on religion and I respect that but to go out of your way to slag them off seriously guys what's wrong with you. People can believe what they want. I think it's disgusting that people are so quick to judge others. No person is the same as another so why stereotype Mormons as retarded ??? Just to add in I'm a teenage Mormon and will answer any questions on our religion. I feel some people are looking at our religion all wrong and have some very wrong facts.

Yours GRACE xxxx

wtf on :

okay this may be beside the point entirely but why the fuck are mormons going on a site titled mormons are complete fucking retards that means that grace guy and the brutish thug i hate you all die in hell. shit are u guys honestly lookin up a website trashing ur religion and if u are then wtf thats just retarded. if you dont want to see this sort of thing then dont even look at it because seriously it makes u look like fucktards that just want to fight and not defend ur religion. p.s i like buddhists alot cos they dont start or fight in wars. p.p.s wars are just mankinds way of saying im a bloodthirsty dick that needs an excuse to murder people. p.p.p.s im aethiest in case ya havent noticed. so to summarise if you dont like the site fuck off or blow your brains out i dont care either way:).....

Carol the Catholic on :

Interesting thread with misconceptions regarding two religions I know SOMETHING about. My own, and one I have studied, Mormonism, because I have a family member who has converted to it. And although I would not leave the religion I was raised in, I know enough about what I have studied in the Mormon religion, to comment that the negative comments made in this thread are truly based on a complete lack of knowledge of what they're talking about. Some of it may be a little hard to swallow for some, but are these plates that Joseph Smith found any harder to swallow than the golden tablets that contained the 10 commandments? No. Did the evolution of religion end with ancient times? Not necessarily. You have to read HISTORY about it to find out. Who's to say Jesus didn't appear in the Americas after he died on the cross? There are actually stories of it early religions of South America. You have to read about it to see for yourself. I think religion is still evolving. Sometimes it is difficult to find an answer in a religion. And that's where FAITH comes in. For example, I had a problem with my baby sister who died before she was baptised. In the Catholic religion, that meant she would never be admitted to heaven; she would float around in nothingness called Limbo for eternity. That always bugged the hell out of me. How could God do that to a beautiful tiny child? And that is where the evolution process comes in. Along came Pope Benedict, and made it better. Somehow, he decreed that God never meant for that to be the TRUTH, and poof, Cecilia was in heaven! But if I had had FAITH, I would have known she was always there, from the moment her little heart had stopped beating. So It's not what the PEOPLE say,it's what you believe to be the TRUTH. Now About the WIVES. Do you know WHY the Mormons had more that one wife? They didn't start out that way. They didn't even WANT to do it. You could READ about it, in HISTORY, but most people who like to criticize don't do that.
You know I was going to explain it, but I feel my words will be wasted. I feel I'll be cursed at, and attacked, and I'm and elderly grandmother with another project to work on right now. I may take you on another day if I feel up to it, but I will leave you with this: Mormons are not scary people. And they are the fastest growing Christian religion in the world.

cakeatmidnight on :

Hi Grace,

First of all, welcome to this discussion. Secondly, I found this by looking up "Why are mormons so fucking retarded." As a practicing mormon, how did you find this page? Since you seem to be literate, I would love to ask you some questions. Do you know how many wives Joseph Smith had? Was polygamy kept a secret? Did BY have multiple wives also? Where was the first temple and what happened to it? Were you raised a mormon or did you choose it yourself?

Anonymous on :

It's obvious you are inbred too. So shut up.

Grace Lee on :

Hiya,
For the first guy I have been hearing about these websites from my friends and try said I should set some people straight because we aren't evil. And for the second person I would like to say thank you for being respectful tirades my religious beliefs. First of all I am not sure how many wives the both of them had but thy definitely had multiple. It was not kept a secret In those days people would marry multiple people back it was totally normal. When farmers died wives were left homeless and had no money men would marry them so they had money etc. We no longer practice this as we abide by the laws of the land. Our first temple was made in America in navoo it was burned down as people did not like our practice. It was tragic as everybody worked on it and it was beautiful made from families linnen and gold etc. Out temples nowadays are allot more amazing and extravagant I have been to the Preston England temple loads and it's amazing. I was born into the church and am from a 4th generation of Mormons from my dads side. I have a strong testimony of the gospel. I hope that may have helped.

Grace xxxx

wtf on :

still why the hell are u looking at the site it was made for the purpose of people letting off steam about stuff hell i feel better after i wright each time and where did your friends learn about it at some point in the chain somebody must have looked it up specificly and now ur lookin it up i get that ur very devout to your religion and i respect u can keep at it but seriously why are u looking this up if someone told u it was there then accept it cos there will always be people who will not agree with a religion so just let it go nobody will agree on everything and if they did nothing would happen everyones crazy ideas would be made public and tried which is just retarded u cant force ur point either not naming any names (i hate u all die in hell cough) so just accept it and move on just try to care as little as possible about other peoples views and live:)

cakeatmidnight on :

Wtf, you are right....I researched "Why are Mormons so fucking retarded" because they bug the crap out of me and I need to vent, I do feel better afterwards. Grace, since you came to this sight, I am going to continue to vent. The temple was burned down because jo smith was a crook, go ahead, do the research--he was a money digger and a cheat. Polygamy was not ok in the US, ever. The Mormons had a "revelation" when they were about to get in serious trouble with the government because of polygamy. He had up to 49 wives some were 15, 16, 17 years old, that is just sick!!!! The first complete temple now belongs to a mormon sect. Joseph Smith was in jail because he burned down a printing press. He was killed in prison after he shot two people. One does not die a martyr's death, if he is armed. After his death, the church split.Emma did not like polygamy, she did not go with BY. The 3 witnesses of the book of mormon were ex-communicated. Mormons have secret ceremonies that take after mason ceremonies and wear special garments. When you get older and do the endowment ceremony, if you feel it is wrong--get out!!! If you accept Jesus into your heart, you don't need a secret name to get into heaven. You also don't need a man to pull you through a veil. Mormons do so much ridiculous stuff that people get sick and tired of them. Research all the symbolism of what you have on the temples, it is Satanic!! In the old testament, a temple was used for animal sacrifices, not baptizing dead people and eternal marriages. The symbols in the undergarments--from freemasonry. JS was the biggest fraud ever in the history of the world and he has so many good people fooled. The bible says God is spirit. Mormons say God is a man, who progressed to godhood. The God of the Bible is spirit, he is not held back by a physical body. No one has ever seen god and lived. Funny how js saw him in a dream. Don't even get me started about Jesus in the Americas, oh brother!!! Has it ever occured to you that Jesus' complete life can be mapped out in Israel and not a drop of evidence of the bom can be found. Those are some of the reasons people think you are fucking retarded............

Grace Lee on :

WTF can I just say I agree with you. Totally and completely. You have your views and I have mine but the next person is exactly why I came onto this website she or he has completely got it wrong. Js never shot anybody he never got revelation to stop paligomy we just abide by the laws of the land and I don't even understand what your talking about in that as it is all a load of balonie research all you want you aren't getting anywhere. And how would you know what emma smith thought on that subject. In the 18 hundreds it was the norm to marry people when you were teenagers and to have multiple wives. He got imprisoned because Of false charges which actualy were proven false people didnt like him and accused him of disorderly conduct of preaching the gospel and he was shot and killed when a mob broke into his jail cell and shot him.

Grace Lee on :

Hiya,
Would like to add to my last statement. I have been doing some research and the mob actually burnt down the printing place as that was were the book f mormon was printed first. And also we never got revelation that paligomy was wrong we have always had a commandment that we must abide by the laws of the land and that is that paligomy was band and as it was band we are no longer allowed to practice it. There is no scientific evidence that the LSD church isnt true. Can I ask people on this something. Is it a sin to see god and Jesus in a grove of trees and after they tell you to form the church of the last days and you obeying them and forming it. Is that a sin. Is it a sin to believe that a 14 year old farmer boy started what is the most true church on earth. Why does everybody find it so hard to believe that a mirical could happen. My friends cousin was suffering from cancer and it was terminal. He had no hope in the world that he would live and he lived 2 more years after there was a family fast on his behalf. He was only 24. He lived so much longer because his tumour shrinkef baffling doctors all over the country. In the LSD church we love each other very much and think of ourselves as a family. We do not worship idols or anything so how is it satainist?? Satain has prompted you lovely people to think bad of a church which has done nothing wrong. We go through life with direction and are happy an have hope. How is this a bad thing ?

Yours grace x

wtf on :

i feel really happy and i dont know why although its hard to make a comment on my wii and cakeatmidnight i had no idea those things happened but they sound about right although i rofl when i hear so many got tricked by a retard like joseph smith its kinda sad well it takes one to no one i guess and to grace lee you really shouldnt be here you seem like a nice guy although i dislike the religion u seem pretty nice i hate you all die in hell belongs here because hes some wierd guy who threatens to hit people through a glass screen well i may see ya again. (joseph smith) "blessing here 1 blessing for thirty million dollars"
(guy) "em your prophecies seem kinda fishy"
(JS) "well your erectiley disfunctionul"
by the way why does anybody care what aguy whos been dead for about 300 yrs anyway.

Em :) on :

" Nathan says:
08/17/2010 12:40:42 PM

My wife's family was taken in by the con man Joseph Smith from the very beginning. Got his hooks into the poor bastard (actually he was wealthy) and sucked him dry. Smith was as slick as Bernie Madoff. All he ever did was ask for cold hard currency (gold silver) or your belongings (cattle/oxen/mules) and he handed out his freaking blessing in return. After giving the "prophet" $30,000.00 in gold and belongings Smith told him "your children will never beg bread". No shit?? An neither will yours you thief. Then there was the good old Kirtland Safety Society Bank bank in Kirtland OH. Ohio would not charter the Mormons a bank so they started their own with donations from our family. In exchange they got paper money that two years later were only good to start a fire.The poor man left Kirtland witrh $7.50 in his pocket and a broken down team of mules to take him to Missouri. (where the garden of Eden was/and was going to be the new Zion)"
you do even know who this man was!? This man's name was John Tanner and you know what we are learning about Church History in Seminary this year and we just learned about him and you want to know something he was the most spiritual man and had such outstanding love for this Church. And you want to know something I bet you didnt know about him. He was about to die and he went to a meeting where Mormon Missionaries would be and he actually went there to bash them and put them in his place and you want to know what happened he wanted to learn more about the Mormons and instead of dying his leg was healed. And do you want to know something else if "Joseph Smith...All he ever did was ask for cold hard currency" why did when JOHN TANNER! come to give Joseph $2,000 that he owed the church why did Joseph tore up the paper and told him that his family would never go hungry and just to tell you that man was an amazing man and probably the Church is so strong today. And just to tell you that money he gave caused the Kirtland temple to be built and helped many early latter day saints and some of his descendants are now major church leaders in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints so thank you very much :-) maybe you should read up on ur family history a little more cause i felt the strongest spirit learning about him so I thank you're wife's ancestor because he has cause my testimony to grow. and no offense but to me it seems like all you care about in this world was his money....and he was already a very generous man before he joined the "Retarted Church" i bet that makes your wife's ancestor feel so proud of her and you in the after life. knowing that you think what he did was of no worth. and christ taught that we should give up worldly things and give. Just thought i would let you know.
and for all of you people saying that i and so many other people are retarted for my beliefs, 1) that word is not politically correct 2) i would rather be retarted and sit here and feel the spirit almost every morning then have to hear this hate and ignorance.
O and i believe that Christ said that the most important commandment was to love everyone and these words of hate do not sound like love or what your savior and my savior have taught us and even if you do not believe in him. I know that he still believes in you and he does love each of you as he does me. matter what religion i am or you are. We are all the same. We are all children of god and when i look in another persons face that is what i see. I see my spirit brother/sister who i know my savior loves and why shouldnt i love them. Because Jesus didnt give up his life for just me. He also gave up his life for you and he knows everything/feeling you will ever feel and he will always be there for you....when you need him he is there.
I do love each of you. I may not know you. But i know that i knew you before. And that is all i need so goodnight and if you would like to take this conversation to somewhere else where the title is not hateful of itself i would be happy too

Grace Lee on :

Thank you WTF :-)

wtf on :

wow people really think you sit on a cloud for eternity thats really stupid cos ud get bored really really quickly and as i said before this is a thing to vent your feelings!!!}:( nobody should care its an insignificant website that like 10 people look at 10 out of six billion aint that many and also as i sed before why the hell are mormons going on this site i no y grace goes on and ihyadih (abbreivieation) but other than that why it seems so utterly retarded btw when you die your corpse rots somewhere theres no magic cloud and thats just the sad and annoying truth

/facepalm on :

To "i hate you all die in hell"...actually the Big Bang CREATED the protons and electrons and there are particles and energies in the Universe (see quantum and string theory) beyond your mormonic comprehension....

wtf on :

i think there may be somebody of a higher power but i dont think all that other stuff exists cos why would 1 being spend all of his time listening to everyones pleas that would drive anything or one to insanity

illuminati on :

first off my family is mormon i am as well but i honestly dont believe. if i say i dont believe or if i question something im of the devil which is bullshit because i may not know if god exists but i KNOW satan doesnt exist. satan is some fairy christians made up to scare people not to sin. satan isnt whispering in ur ear dumb fucking christians and mormons too. satan is just the darker aspect of every humans soul. thats right ur tempting urself.

illuminati on :

next if somethings true it will always be true and polygamy law changed. and last of all dont believe what people tell u question everything. who cares what ppl believe its there life cutting down someones beliefs is just the same as them shoving theres down your throat. and dont think u know everything trust me mormons dont have it all and if there humble they should be able to except that. but this is just my opinion and funny how everything is a parallel haha well every one is a hypocrite.

illuminati on :

one last thing i think all religion is retarded but some aspects of hinduism are interesting like how everyone can choose there own paths and different ways of living a good life. but then again just my opinion and as far as proposition 8 i dont think gays should marry its all in there head. and if everyone became gay then we would die out but then who am i to say they arent really homo anyways enough of my beliefs i TRY to live byim gonna go have a schmeeg peace

cakeatmidnight on :

Illuminati, I can respect those beliefs. It seems like you actually thought about it yourself. If you don't believe, can you leave the church? I have heard it is really hard to leave it.

I hate you all die in hell on :

@facepalm. Cause nothing decided to blow up into energy. Cause there was nothing but blankness, and It his blew up? If you think us Latter Day Saints are "retarded" then what does that make you? Lol you are al keyboard warriors. Come to australia where 70% Mormons are Fobs (islanders, tongans) and I don't think you would fee comfortable saying to us in person rat mormons are retarded. Keyboard warriors and nothing more. Btw wtf. Through revelation the celestrial kingdom is made up of 3 different levels of glory. Top is you are as god. This is saying through your own experience you become a god with, well... Basically your own rules

michael0385 on :

i think that everyone is entitled to there own opinion, but i think that some people's opinions are based on an unrealistic view of the church. I may not be an active member of this church anymore, however the time that i spent with the church was fulfiling. I personally do not see reason for people who have not actually attended this church (even as an investigator) to say this church is retarded. The church nowadays teach children good values, and the majority of mormons are generally nice helpful people. They are taught that (and even being inactive i still believe this) that regardless of who are, if you see someone in need, you should help them however you can, even if it has no personal gain towards yourself. i also read a comment about "door knockers" i do not know which church this originated from, however mormon "door knockers" are actually missionaries, who spend two whole years of there life trying to bring awareness of the church, and helping better the lives of the peoples of the societies that they are assigned to.

I guess all that i am trying to say is that, mormons havent really ever done anything wrong to the community (as a whole i mean, not individual mormons) and just because you dont understand something does not mean that its makes it retarded.

wtf on :

michael you have some good points there and i really hate to stress the fact that this site is for venting no one should give half a fuck about what people wright we wright this to feel better about it hell id bet you any sum of money that without venting we would all probably be radioactive vapor. fear the mushroom cloud and greet death who has been folowing you your whole life lifting his scythe at varied speeds and then bringing it down

michael0385 on :

i totally agree with the need to vent. I guess, to me it just seems a bit odd, that people vent against one church, which they dont understand about. But that is just, perhaps this issue helps them vent out unrelated anger as well, in which case why not? Im not a bible basher at all, i just enjoy giving light on what would seem a darkened situation.

However i will say as an inactive member on the church, i do have rather different views on religion, that the church does not support, however i bear no ill will. I cant say that i enjoy the amount of churches/religions in our world these days, however i do not dicriminate against any of them. Im glad that these people have found a peace in an otherwise hostile world. But these are just my opinions anywaysm, everyone is completely entitled to there own :-)

wtf on :

em michael there are lotsa sites expressing anger for many things i looked this up because mormons bug the shit out of me i do show some disdain towards other religions i admit but mormons cross that fine line of annoying to just plain retarded thx

wtf on :

michael you are also right about this world although i would call it cruel and unreaonable alot like an x girlfriend but this universe is vast and actually the world is caring the universe is an asshole tho

cakeatmidnight on :

Mormons are retarded and I don't understand how anyone can believe Jesus was in America! There are no maps that show anything that is in the book of mormon. Jesus' real life is mapped out in bibles. That is one super retarded thing. Who sends their 19 yr. old boys away for two years???? Mormons! The missionaries are a real pain in the ass and they are spreading lies all around the world. Does the book of moron or the Bible say to send your teens away for two years? Don't get me started on temple ceremonies or special underwear--how is that not fucking retarded?????

wtf on :

em i wiil be changing my username to ftw = for the win and also mormons are mainly just pedophiles and it would be very very annoying to have somebody come to your door telling you such and such is right and all who do such are failed advertisers and failed advertisers are douchebags eat my shit smithy :-)

KITTY on :

So EVERYONE talking crap on the mormons, Why are you wasting your time seriously? I can imagine more than half of you dont have a life and have a VERY low I.Q. So what let them belive what they want weather its True Or False. If i said GAYS should all die you guys would get all anal about it. i could care less about it because thats the way people want to live thier life and we SHOULD ALL R E S P E C T that. None of you have brought up a good point and all that comes out of your lil keyboard is the F word and Retarted SERIOUSLY Get a New hobby and leave it to god to decide.. Ohhh wait is there even a god anymore ha ha ha hah

Grace Lee on :

I'm actually laughing at how much controversy there is on this website and I respect that people are calling us Mormons things that have valid evidence to. I respect that you all have opinions. I think this site is pretty good ecause if you hate mormons I would much rather you slag the religion off than the people in it who and just tying to do their own will. I would much rather people say it on here than bully people for their beliefs like I was. Thank you to those who are coming onto this website rather than taking it out on the people of the LSD gospel.

Yours,
Grace Lee xx

ftw on :

KITTY im 140 or higher so it isnt slack jawed imbosiles on this and for the last fuckin time this is a place for venting and if you dont wanna read something you object to or dont like then go away and also judgeing by your evil laugh at the end you have a wierd sense of humor so why do you care what people on this wright and another thing how are so many people finding a site venting about anger towards mormons other than directly looking it up i dont see any other way

Kitty on :

EXACTLY My point if you dont like mormons then why do u keep fucking Talking bout it like your obsessed Like you said if you dont like it then GO AWAY Venting because you hate mormons?? maybe you need a lil more help than venting on this website Mormons are juss doing thier own thing believing what they wanna believe. they dont do anything to get in your way so whats the deal. i just wanna know..Well am i not allowed to "vent" also
Evil Laugh ummmm its over the internet IT WAS NOT An Evil Laugh. This is My Evil Laugh MUAHHAHAHAHAH

ftw on :

lol cool evil laugh. you wanna know why people go on this site to vent its so it does not escalate to something bigger and its not meant to hurt anyone cos its away from the people it would hurts routine and just going on this shows that curiosity is a powerful thing. by the way my evil laugh is looking in the air an going ha ha ha HAHAHAHAHAHAHA MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-)

wtf on :

lol cool evil laugh. you wanna know why people go on this site to vent its so it does not escalate to something bigger and its not meant to hurt anyone cos its away from the people it would hurts routine and just going on this shows that curiosity is a powerful thing. by the way my evil laugh is looking in the air an going ha ha ha HAHAHAHAHAHAHA MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-) something happend so i have to change my name back

Peter on :

I joined the Mormon church 35 years ago. Before that, I was protestant and quite familiar with the bible. My grandfather was a presbyterian minister and my family is very protestant.

I can see why people have a hard time with Mormoism. It does not fit their paradigm of how the world and religion should be. But I gotta say that it is difficult to get around revelation. The thing is, I know that the Book of Mormon is true. I can say that I know that the sun will rise tommorow but that is only an educated guess based on many years of past experience. I cannot explain the knowledge of the Book of Mormon. After reading it and thinking about it for some time, I received knowledge. It was like I was brain dead and then all of a sudden I understood completely.

It reminds me of an old star trek episode where doctor Mcoy Placed some sort of alien head gear on in order to understand how to reconnect Spocks brain. Before he put it on, he said that no one could do it. After he put it on, he said "of course, a child could do it".

When a person has this kind of knowledge, it is hard ot persuade him otherwise, even when the argument seems rational.

cakeatmidnight on :

Peter,

You believe Jesus came to America and the other bom nonsense??? You wear your garments that have symbols on them?? The devil is fooling you!!!

Tk (Admin) on :

Don't forget that the Garden of Eden was in "Missouri". Oh my God I can't believe people believe any of that shit... It's not a question of faith, it's a question of elementary-school aged science and common sense.

Anonymous on :

None of you know anything about the lmormons so keep your extremely rude comments to yourself.

wtf on :

well peter what you are is gullible you cant just belive everything you hear or read the fact is that the sun does not rise and does not move it is our steadfast guardian in space and the earth is moving on a very delicate axis andwait 35 years wtf how old were you seriously unless your like 50 i doubt you wouldve changed your mind cos any age younger than 25 is too stuborn and below 13 is too young and suggestable and to the admin im actually surprised to see you again cos i havnt seen u in a while. and peter even your names very protestant peter = st peter = peter rabbit = super mutant

Anonymous on :

even if you dont believe in christianity and the bible and all that. Galatians 1:5 proves mormonism is stupid. Mormons believe that the bible is god's word, yet they turn against it and write their own stuff? that's enough info for me to think its stupid, but then they just throw on a bunch of other weird stuff too.

wtf on :

i agree they do lots of wierd stuff but thats just thier very wierd selves

God Lies People Die on :

Now as a devout Satanist, which is just another way of saying I'm an atheist who is completely disrespectful of things that do not deserve respect, ex. Christianity, Religion, Spirituality.. The usual shit con men aka Clergy try and pull to explain why their non-existent, yet ALL-POWERFUL deity needs more fucking money to pay for the Church’s new organ, light bills and feed the poor or what have you, as for the Mormons aka/ The Church of Latter Day Bullshit, what can I say? I read the Book of Moron and it’s a bigger piece of crap than the New Testament, it reads like a fucking Chick cartoon.. Hell at least the Old Testament had some authenticity to it in-between all of its bullshit. What a complete sack of shit, the only thing “spiritual” people are good for is lion feed.. We need to mandatorily sterilize them for the good of the nation and forcibly abort pregnant Mormons! Laws should be passed to protect people from unwanted self-deluded evangelicals who spread their lies door to door in the same way we have “Do not Call” lists to prevent unwanted telemarketers! What the world needs now is a new leader and “we” are waiting..lol.

wtf on :

heh usually that would cause kind of a stirr but no one but me ever goes on anymore but its nice to see a new comment but yeah i admit you have some parts of a point

Frank on :

Why do people keep saying folks are "bashing a religion they don't understand"? What exactly are we not understanding? Did Smith read silver plates out of a shoe instead of gold ones out of a hat? What is there to misunderstand? It's absolutely moronic to think any of that shit is plausible.

Don't get me wrong, I think religion as a whole will be the downfall of mankind, but Mormonism has to be one of the most pathetic offerings of the religious world.

stan krausch on :

Mormonism has to be one of the most retarded of all retarded religions, but all of them are fucking stupid - if Christianity is true and they believe in one god and one holy book - why are they always mad at each other and arguing? Why do all the fucking dumbest retards in government so called Christians against health care, against a live-able wage for the working class, for tax cuts for millionaires, ALWAYS pro-war, capitalist pigs? Sarah Palin should be a fucking mormon because she is the mose retarded stupid bitch in politics, and I am from Alaska. Islam is a hater religion, Hinduism must have been thought up on a bad acid trip.... I could go on and on - we should start taxing churches. I hate religion - fuck you and your stupid hater gods.

Eric on :

Every religion is retarded except for Judiasm you know why? Simple catholosism teaches that a Jew was the messiah even though he was denied by our council and had no lineage also his father was joseph but thats another story.Next buhdists or hindus are just mixes and castes designed for whimps or the rich.We have mormons who are just as retarded as catholics,we have muslims who claim rights to our land and then insult us.Lastly we have Athiests wich are just a bunch of idiots who werent popular in school because they were whimps who werent smart so to make themselves smart they just invent a bullshit excuse to make them sound smart.Any death threats, hate mail or questions email me at eric.telvi@hotmail.com

wtf on :

im gonna take a guess and say your jewish cos you said it was the only reasonable thing but saying atheists are stupid is also stupid considering lots of the worlds greatest minds are athiest and all the other religions i admit have caused massive problems but to be honest with you i really dont give half a shit about what happened 200 years ago and to be honest i really dont think anyone else should either enough really bad craps happening now so we should just put aside our pride and petiness and just work together because if we just keep hating each other then we will never progress

hahahaha on :

PENIS!!

BYU sucks on :

The whole Mormon thing is just ridiculous. I believe the episode of South Park "All About Mormons" will (hilariously) depict the idiocy of their silly religion. I can respect people's right to believe whatever they wish but how any person wth any intellegence can believe that rubbish is beyond me. Sacred plates from a hat behind a curtain. HA! What a load! No religious beliefs should be allowed to have any place in government-keep church and state separate. Religious beliefs cannot be proven. Anyone who says otherwise is living in a fantasy world. This goes for ALL religions. If it comforts you to follow a religion, good for you, but don't try to pass it off as fact. That's a bunch of B.S. In the words of the immortal George Carlin: "Keep thy religion to thyself!"

John cunningham on :

the pot calling the kettle black? all religions are cults and dumb as dirt. the word christian with (ian) is a suffix denoting places not persons who follow or believe. None of the bible or book of Mormon names were available during the time period they are written of. there was no alphabet 2000 years ago with the symbols to produce any of the names. the sound would stay the same. their was no king James. their was no Letters or sounds J,W,Y,H,or e . yawhee know we only told them about the missing letter J part one , then part two. before 1630 English had 19 letters, no kings James , no John, no Jesus. wasn't first grade fun. when most of us learned these things. smith is a suffix too, not a genetic name, wouldn't jesus have told him that,

DH on :

Ramen - I live in Brigham City, UT (second to Provo with Mormon density) and agree with everything you say. WTF?

thisIZwar on :

As a 'Mormon' with current doubts, I can see both sides of this argument, but at the end of the day if someone chooses to follow a religion what right have you people to judge. The Bible says that 'a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruits.' What does the book of Mormon teach? Faith, repentence, love, charity, kindness. Personally, I haven't met an unkind Mormon. Joseph Smith may just have been a true Prophet. He may not have been. We'll never find out in this life either way. So, really, regardless if the religion is a heap of crap - Mormons are fundamentally nice and happy people, so hey ho - they/we really don't care about the rude opinions of misinformed outsiders who are unable to sit down and properly hear the religion out. Just because internet slander is so much better..

cakeatmidnight on :

I have heard this religion out. It is mind control plain and simple. They tell you how to do everything and how to live your life. Dude, Joseph Smith was not a martyr, research it yourself. Mormons think you will become a God of your own planet and you will have spirit babies to populate your planet. Who is going to make all those babies?? Research that yourself too, you might be surprised who is really being led astray. Jesus in America, come on now, really! When I see innocent people being fooled by a false gospel complete with mandatory tithing to stay temple worthy, I have every right to my opinion. There is nothing wrong with hot drinks either. Good luck in your search for truth and it is ok to go to websites not ok'd by the lds church.

thisIZwar on :

You have completely misunderstood the LDS teachings/beliefs. We believe that in the next life we will become immortal, perfected and therefore 'Gods.' However, there is only one God and we wont literally be Gods. More like angels or Saints. The whole other planet thing is not taught within the church. And yes, we can be sealed to our families for eternity. As I said, we will never truly know if JS was a prophet. It is a matter of faith. We are told to live by the commandments, like all other religions. If that is telling us step by step how to live our lives, you might want to pull every religion up on that one too. Hot drinks can be addictive and therefore take away your agency. Eg. The amount of people in this world whn can't start their day without a cup of coffee or MUST have a cup of tea - not healthy. At the end of the day - Mormons are part of the very few in this world who still have morals and aren't losing their virginity at 12 and pregnant by 14/15/16. They aren't out getting drunk, or slowly killing themselves with tobacco, or even more rapidly with drugs. They must be doing something right.

Balloons! on :

Mormons are retarded

bluetempest on :

@thislZwar and the other mormons on this site-
before you defend your Joseph Smith and his false religion go research your own stinking doctrine. This is a huge problem with mormons, they don't know how many times their religion has changed and what has changed and when and why. You all defend a religion that you don't even have TRUE knowledge of. You can't "sell" your religion with your own doctrine so you people use "families of eternity and other beliefs that make people feel all warm and fuzzy, i.e. no Hell etc.. The Bible says there is a Hell and the mormons will go there based on what God says, not Joseph Smith. Your religion does in fact teach about you becoming Gods and a planet and all of the other crap that has been typed here. And your original doctrine states you are not to drink iced drinks or hot drinks yet every mormon I know will drink iced tea or iced water. Learn your doctrine mormons you don't know the religion you follow. Mormons lack common sense. Common sense dictates that we don't believe what we are told. Common sense speaks to the digging for truth for yourselves. To call mormons retarded is an insult to the handicapped. They are not retarded, they are ignorant. And mormons have morals? Get real. How do you have morals with a religion that spreads racism and polygamy? And how can it be that you can get married for time and all eternity and then get divorced and turn around and get married in your demonic temples yet again and again and again? Demonic with your moons and stars- check out freemasonry- for your own salvation mormon people learn about your religion. Anytime your religion changes it isn't because God changes it is because you mormons have to change to get members. As far as the alcohol and tobacco comment, a lot of non mormons don't drink and smoke and I know many who do because they believe they will go to the mormon low kingdom anyway. I know plenty of mormons who have affairs and stay in their marriages for "appearances" sake. They have young boys who go on the mormon missions and become gay. What about all those who lie for a temple recommend by claiming to be sexually pure before they got married? I have known many who by their own admission screwed around before marriage and went ahead and got married in your satanic temple. So stop acting all self-righteous with your comments about how you must be doing something right. Go learn the truths about your religion or go to hell. If you can't see the truth of your religion for what it is then enjoy this short life here because you won't enjoy eternity. It won't be with your family forever it will be in hell. That is God's word not mine.

Greg on :

So,
this whole thing is ridiculous.
I can't believe so many people bash mormons all the time
my mother is mormon and it can be annoying at times, but in truth, I'm okay with it. I really hate it when people talk crap about a religion they know next to nothing about. If one of these LDS bashing idiots would spend some time reading the elegantly written scriptures they wouldn't hate so much.
Holy crap! Aside from being annoying as the ocaissional missionary then what do mormons do wrong? For crying out loud most mormons give a tithing to charity! If you don't know what that is then google it.

Joe Deer on :

Without taking too much of a side, I'll just say it's interesting that people waste time on random websites typing full essays on what they think is fuckin retarded, and then call non-bashers bashers of bashers.

Joe Deer on :

This is a lot of neo-nazi styled ultra-hate against a group that hasn't done any wrong to anyone, spouted by dumbshits who don't actually know anything about what their bashing. Chances are the bashers here can relate to one of the following scenerios: your pissed because you found out you can't bang your GF cause she's Mormon; you have dady/mommy issues with a mormon parent; you think they're going to somehow take over the world and force you to not drink cofee; you have a problem with the First Amendment; you like jumping on random hater bandwagons, you're homo(no offense, but seriously it would make sense), or you hate it when people point out what makes a low-life/asshole/anything less than a god; or a good number of other things. Also, there are actually two or more religions calling themselves Mormos; the only true-blue one is the LDS church, and the other main one is often mistaken as the same thing, which is the child molesting polygimist "flds", or "fundamentalist mormons". Just to make you feal better, their "prophet" was arrested for sexual assault recently.

Chode Boner on :

The reason people find this religion to be so outgoingly... retarded, is due to the fact that guy told one of the fattest ongoing lies, lied more about it to make people belive, cheated on his wife, got caught, then lied to get out of it, to put it simply, this entire religion is just the most obvious lie of all the religions, I know there's no real proof to say god is real, but I do believe in god as a devout christian, but jesus titty fucking christ, who is stupid enough to that indians are bad, black people are bad, the bible was read with random gold plates, and were read behind a curtain where noone else but the one guy who "claims" all this shit to be true can see, I mean come on, just be sensible, pure fucking stupidity, but for most of us it's just fucking hillarious to see those nerds on their bikes with their shirts and ties and bicycle helmets with their pamphlets, life's good.

Tk (Admin) on :

It's true... Everyone in the LDS church that thinks they are being "picked" on does not have any idea what their religion is about. It is such an absurd, make believe, horse-shit bin full of non-sense. I can understand Christianity, because it is a bunch of stories made up by humans... But the Book of Mormon... Holy shit, what an unbelievable pile of bullshit. It really separates the idiots from the complete morons.
Mormons have the potential the believe anything they are told... As a matter of fact, I read off of a gold plate that says Mormons need to suck my balls to go to heaven.
Here! *whips nuts out*, this is your only way to salvation, for the golden plates no one else can see told me so! After all, Jesus was born in Missouri and so was my nutsack,,, Now suck it you LDS bitch...
Same thing, think about it. It is so stupid and absurd.
I don't think there is a hell, but if there is, I think the Mormons will fill it up quick.
Defending your religion by pointing to your absurd text is NOT an argument.
Complete retards...

AethistsRule on :

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I love listening to idiotic religious bickering. Face it people. There is thousands and thousands of different religions. And there all wrong. If there's that many religions then it is highly unlikely any of them are right. So stop bickering over this fucking thread. All it is trying to say is that Mormonism makes the least sense out of all of the fake religions. GET OVER IT YOU FUCKING RETARDS. Also. I don't know who said this but protons were not the cause of the big bang. Take a science class why dont ya

AethistsRule on :

Dear wtf,
I now know it was you believes this idiotically in the big bang. As a scientist I can tell you that protons did not create the big bang. Apparently you have no grasp of the new concept "Absolute Nothing" and "Nothing". Before the big bang there was "Nothing", as in there was no mass or sense of everything in general. There are two possibilities that are now very popular. The first is of photons. (Light energy) Which has no mass. There is also the elusive material of dark energy/dark matter, which we don't have much concept of which makes it a very strong candidate. Please in the future restrain from blabbing anything you think just because some missionary preached it to you on your doorstep. Why do people refuse to believe what is practically 1st grade science.

just another random person on :

i say believe whatever you want, if someone believes in something that your common sense tells you is stupid than let them.not nyour problem right? :-P and i would love someone to prove to me that the bible says theres a hell,it does not say theres a hell and it SPECIFICALLY says that NO MAN will ever go to heaven excpet for the 144000 and if there was such places dont you think that jesus would have mentioned it once. when he reserected lazuras his BEST FRIEND he cried with the family,why would he do that? why not tell them he was in heaven with his father a better place? why wouldnt he out right tell people that if there wicked they will go to hell and if they arnt he would see them in heaven? he didnt so that should tell you somehting. The words hell,and sheol are just words that litarally mean "the common grave" people. thats how they used to talk. hell meaning grave or creamation by fire. its people who twist these words into something else. Also before jesus went to go reserect his friend lazuras he told them that he was asleep and that he (jesus) was going to go and wake him. his apostles got confused by his meaning he therefore had to tell them he was dead. If he was somewhere else jesus would have said so. there sooo many scriptures like this stop putting rediculous meaning to things. most people these days dont even read the bible they listen to what other people say about it.or if they do they just cant understand it.

AtheistsRule on :

I apologize for any bad spelling i had or may have in the future. My keyboard is very temperamental. I wish you all a happy belief in fake gods
~AtheistsRule
AKA Drefan

Anonymous on :

wow so many disrespectful atheists on here have respect for others beliefs even if they are retarded btw SOUTHPARK FTW! X) watch season 7 they take the piss out of it

lul on :

lmao i googled "fuck joseph smith" and this came up.

Wow on :

It's so goofy when people 'believe' in anything and then try to refute it!!


#1) Gods/prophets/similar ideas don't magically exist JUST because people believe in them. Getting enough people to believe in an idea/God/religion for a long enough period of time does not make something feasible or real. The majority of the public is often misguided and poorly educated.
#2) Facts are needed to refute ideas/Gods/religions.

Therefore, things that are solely based upon belief (ie, _NOT FACTS_) cannot be justified.

For example, if you want to believe that dinosaurs jump from planet to planet with aliens riding them, you would need some factual evidence to qualify it.



I hope someone understands this, but I'm sure the people who should understand it the most will have a snotty comeback about how 'their' religion is 'the right one'.

le sigh

Zack W on :

To the people complaining about people bashing religion: The cause of our anger towards religion comes purely from frustration that there are people out there refusing to use their minds at all, let alone to max potential. Have you ever seen the matrix? Its like we're in the real world trying to free the common people of their ignorance but they refuse to let go of their fake beliefs that control their lives and ruin our peace! They will never listen to any sort of reason, so the least we can do is gather here and voice our dissatisfaction!

Emmett on :

Not only did Joseph Smith dictate the retarded Book of Mormon from behind a veil, but he did so by using Umim and Thummim (two magic rocks) that were in his tophat. Oh, and when the angel first spoke to him, uhhh, the reason his stupid wife didn't see the angel (who appeared "as lightning") is because she was sitting with her back to her husband, praying.

Anyone who swallows this tale is welcome to it. But don't you try foisting a Mormon on me as President.

Mahonri on :

You are just jealous because you know you will never be righteous enough or good looking enough to be a Mormon President of any kind. A church president or a US President... any right thinking person would be a church president first and formost. That is why Joseph Smith had himself crowned King of the World before he was killed in the gunfight at Carthage Jail.
33 wives - and you probably have trouble getting a date on the weekends.

Anonymous on :

If you get any more stupid moronic, why don't you go play speed bump on the interstate.

Someone on :

to the atheists please read the bible and try to find any fault in it and to the mormons please visit this site http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorg.html which proves that the bible is still the same as it was when it was first written and hasnt been changed

STFU on :

Obviously You Guys Are ALL Obsessed With Mormonism Cause You Keeps Writing Essays About. If UDont Like It why are u talking bout it maybe cause u don't have anything better to do with ur life and don't feel satisfied with ur self and ur beliefs so u feel the need to bash someone else.. How bout you get a JOB and entertain ur self instead of sitting behind ur computer screen thinkin ur all big and bad .. You lame good for nothing, always trying to put something down cause u ain't happy with ur self.. Awww I'm sorry

Morbitches on :

Grace lee
You are pathetic and a liar, the Mormons are a bunch of sick f,,ks ,idiots and ignorants,brain washed little weasles ...JS was a criminal, a gold digger, a whore..he even had sex with all his best friends wives...you Morons are so good at denying..they lie to you and tell you that you will become a GOD you stupid.fu..ks , they take your money..the Mormon church is worth 38 billion.........that is thirty eight billion ...why do they need so much money , you diiots give it to your prophets while you starve and they live like kings..look at your prophets homes and the cars they drive you dumb b,,,,tch...may be you will get a hint .
Never believe Mormons whores, they all say they are vergins .........they are not.they start having sex at very early age and they are extremely horny sluts ..
I can keep going but its not worth it...f..k Mormons .
It is worth noting that i was married to a Mormon for 15 years..I felt and saw their hypocracy every day.....i finally found the innocent little Mormon wife " a mormon " fucking some one ........... so much for beig good .

cakeatmidnight on :

That had to feel good--getting that off your chest and venting!!! I couldn't agree with you more, Morons suck!

bptr on :

I wholeheartedly agree that Mormons are dumber and deluded as fuck, but the word is "NONSENSICAL" not "unsensical". I lived in Salt Lake for 2 years btw.

moshcustom on :

@"Ryan says:
07/21/2010 05:57:44 AM
Jessica there is nothing wrong with religious people playing a role in politics. Gays, Lesbians, & Transexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry in this country. What religious nonsense would you be referring too that has influence over people? You know its not exactly a matter of religion as much as it is a matter of morality. I know the difference between right & wrong as do most people. Homosexuality is considered a sin among the religious community. I am not a part of that community but I still know homosexuality is wrong. Animals might take part in it but a human being should know better. You can have love for the same gender but that doesn't mean you should try to engage in sex acts with them. Many of the problems we have in this country is because of the lack of religion. Killing babies left & right isn't helping anything. What they should be doing with these whores that want abortions is killing them along with the bastard child. Just line em' up in the streets & put one in the head. But then again a complete theocracy is definitely not the answer this country needs. We really just need a good shot of common sense & morality. That'd help put us back on the right track."

Ryan, I think you just proved pretty much everybody's point. you think a woman who gets pregnant and wants a legal abortion is a whore and should be shot along with her child? you, sir, are a very, VERY disturbed individual and i am actually unhappy knowing that you exist. whatever made up heaven you think you're going to does not exist, you will rot in the ground like the rest of us. hopefully before the rest rest of us. nice to know what romney believes in.

RAMON on :

ALL MORMONS ARE NICE PEOPLE AND I HAVE A HARD TIME LISTENING ALL YOUR GUYS CRAP ABOUT MORMONS.WHY YOU ALL DO NOT FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE ACCEPT GO ON LINE AND BASH MORMONS.IT WHOULD BE BETTER FOR ALL OF YOU TO FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO THAT IS MORE PRODUCTIVE FOR YOUR OWN GOOD THAN GO ON LINE-INTERNET AND BASH OTHER PEOPLE'S BELIEFS IN THIS CASE MORMONS.PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS TO BELIVE WHAT EVER THEY WANT TO BELIVE EVEN IF CAN BE PROVED.WHAT'S MATTER WITH ALL OF YOU.GROW UP AND GET A LIFE AND STOP ALL THIS BASHING NONSENCE OF OTHER PEOPLE'S BELIEFS.ALL OF YOU SHOULD LOOK YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR FIRST BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH.WHO GAVE YOU RIGHTS TO TRASH OTHER PEOPLE'S BELIEFS.ALL OF YOUR ON THIS SITE NEED TO GROW UP AND FIND SOMETHING ELSE BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE.THANK YOU!!!!!RAMON!!!!!!!

takedown on :

Mormons, they are weird, their college students act like children because they are isolated from the harsh realities of life. God in the Bible tells people that on will come teaching a false gospel (Smith) and does anybody remember the paper fortune tellers from grade school where only the person holding it reads it? Almost always ends in a sham. Faith is great, but Christians have historical basis to ground their faith, where as Mormons believe all the shit they have been fed since childhood specifically because they have been fed it. Anybody not indoctrinated early on that joins later has some element of desperation or lacking that they want filled and find the cheapest supplement on the shelf. It is not a Christian religion, does not follow the Bible, and makes no sense whatsoever. I know plenty of nice people @RAMON, but being nice and being intelligent are separate.

imaperson on :

mormons ( or most) can be really really annoying but some are acually really good friends but that just makes me feel bad for them because they have everything all wrong. Joseph smith just wanted money and made up a bunch of crap there is only one heaven and one way to get there wich they dont under stand also if you are a good person or a bad person we are all the same in gods eyes because were all sinners. Mormons just have everything all wrong.

Joseph smith on :

Im a mormon and i say that we rock and we firmly believe that lesbians and deaf women wear the same clothes

Anonymous on :

"After all, there must be a group of people in the world that would tithe to a religion that was rooted in a story of a guy like me, sitting in my bathroom with a black light, reading my wall splattered feces like a Rorschach Inkblot Test." That is how ludicrous mormonism and all invisible friend in the skyism is.

mormonman on :

none of you dont understand the religion or believe it, or have given any of it a chance. we arnt a cult, to say we are is like saying the catholics or any other normal sect of christianity is a cult. you all claim to be so open minded, yet you continue to speak with more discrimination than you would treat anyone else with, all based on a unfunded hate for something you know nothing about. i wouldn't treat any of you with such malice, so please stop treating my religion, and by extension me as such.

Greg Shazely on :

Dave fuck u. U r fucking retarded and fuck all atheists and Muslims and mormons u are so fucking stupid enjoy hell motherfuckers because Satan is waiting to fuck u in the ass so enjoy your pathetic piece of shit motherfucking life because u are all going to hell fuck u douchebags.

Elder Matumbo on :

I was a mormon for over 35 years.
I was born a mormon and grew up in a sheltered environment where there was no reason to question it. mormonism is a club. joseph smith was a mason and copied much of the masonic ritual. The current mormon temple ceremony has much of the masonic signs, tokens, and ritual in it.
I stopped believing all things mormon after my first time through the temple. I was blown completly away when I saw my parents dressed in white robes, hats and aprons waving their arms in the air chanting Pay Lay Ale. It really did fuck me up, but because I was so indoctrinated by repetitive primary and sunday school songs, and the constant testimony meetings where you are encouraged to stand and say "I know the church is true, and joseph smith is a prophet of God" that even after my temple experiance I still went on a mission for two years.

One night my mormon wife and I were in the hottub and I looked up at the stars and said I am sorry, but I believe mormonism is dangerous and I no longer want to be involved and do not want our children involved. She cried because she was relieved and admitted that she had never belived in it either. The mormon church uses guilt very effectivly. You are constanty told you are inadequate and you need to do more for the church.

There is a cognative dissonance that allows educated mormons to stay in the church. There is no doubt that the church is a cult. Many members stay only because of family or business relationships. When I left the church, I lost almost all of my mormon clients. mormons always hire mormons first. Competency comes second.

Someone on this thread asked one of the mormons why they came to a "mormons are retarded" site. It is because the church leaders tell them to. At conference, mormons are told "seek out websites that are negative to the church and refute them". "Offer your testimonies to those who make negative statments about the church" (gordon hinckley- mormon profit) You can usually tell a mormon on a thread like this when they start by saying "Im not a mormon but..."

I have EARNED the RIGHT to say that mormons are FUCKING RETARDED. This statement is fact.

mormonism is a dangerous cult. It is a billion dollar cult and that is the pure motivation. It is said here that mormons squeeze a nickle so hard they make the beaver fart. ( I am Canadian and our nickles have a beaver stamped on them.)

Much of the original doctrine of the church is being hushed and swept under the carpet. (ask a mormon about Bruce R Mckonkie. The older mormons will know.)They are trying to hide the history of racism, bigotry, polygamy and all the other bullshit that joseph smith made up. BTW some mormon on here asked " how could joseph smith write the book of mormon in three months if it was not inspired by God. Well, he didn't and it wasn't. joseph smith was a retard con man. A man named Sidney Rigdon wrote much of the story. Actually he copied much of the story from other texts. I am sure that even with the "seer stones" joseph could not have seen the future to know that both science (DNA) and global information would prove their stories to be completly false.

I wish that mormons could wake up to this fact. More and more are, but some will not. They are sheep and they allow the church to think for them. They are constantly told in the conferences that "once the leaders have spoken, the thinking has been done".

I could say so much more, but I have said enough.
Note that I have tried not to capitilize anything mormon as an intentional sign of disrespect. I am an angry ex-mormon. Angry that they stole so much of my time and money that I will never get back.

I was once a completely fucking retarded mormon, but now, am not. I was blind, but now I see.

Elder Matumbo
(from the book of mormon on broadway)

TK (Admin) on :

Thanks for your insight. You are possibly the only one (on either side), that seems to have a valid story, and a grasp of rudimentary English skills. Thanks again!

Brian Nelson on :

Guess what, I am a mormon that with tell you one thing that the rest of them will not. You, yes you are a fucking biggot and discriminate agaist people for their religion and use slanderous unscrupulous tactics. Wake the fuck up we are in america asshole. RELIGION IS PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION AND YOU CALL US RETARDS?? People who are disabled have more moral character that any of you fuck sticks. If mormons have any fault its that they don't kick your stuip fucking asses to the curb for being hateful douche bags. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it shit for brains.

Elder Matumbo on :

So who ever said Mormons had a persecution complex?

Freedom of speech is also protected by the constitution, which gives everyone the right to express opinion about anything including religion… unless you are a mormon. The mormon leadership tells members “It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Church, even if the criticism is true” (Dallin Oakes moron apostle)

I vote Brian Nelson be put up on the pedestal of shining examples of arrogant mormon hypocrites right alongside joseph christ, jesus smith and tommy hooknose monson. Apparently, Brian is one of the “progressive mormons” that get to say fuck as long as it directed against anyone that has an opinion contrary to the opinion the church tells him he should have.

BTW why are you picking on disabled people by dumping their asses down in the gutter with us mormon haters?
It is far far greater thing to be a non-moron with an ass on the curb, than a moron with your head up your bishops ass. (and he likes it)

cakeatmidnight on :

Amen Elder Matumbo, you Rock!

the truth on :

legalize weed and illegalize mormonism

-the truth

ps mormons arent christians

MORMON INDOCTRINATION on :

Elder Matumbo, you really laid it all out. I also liked one of the earlier posters who stated that after he stopped believing and saw the lds church for what it is - dangerous. She agreed and hence a happy ending here. In my case, my wife insists on indoctrinating our children to the mormon faith. However, I may end up up a divorced man if I insist that we DON'T let the church indoctrinate our kids. That is what's fucked up about mormonism. It claims to be family oriented, but truly messes families up and breaks them apart. It retards families and therefore makes them retarded families.

Lostprophet on :

The main problem with the mormon faith is the story of how it came to be, im fairly suprised by the vast # of people that stuck around after hearing that this amazing new religion was started by some under-educated dude reading gold plated with magic stones out of a hat. If that isnt bad enough upon being tested could not reproduce the same translation. Add in the misspelling and gramatical errors? Problem is "he wasnt translating anything, the stones were" and what is written on the plates is whats there give or take nothing so obviously there would be no change in translation. And if hes just copying down the translation shown in front of him that means god misspelled the words that are wrong? Seriously, and to think someone who is dumb enough to buy into all that is running to be the president? Give that r-tard a few child brides and make him president of salt lake city instead! :-)

byu suck me till my dick goes numb on :

Mormors can be Mormons if your that stupid then fine but I'm not a mormon and I'm forced to go Bible thumping with my family. My probelem is how fucking stupid can you be oh I shit my pants and saw Jesus lets go make a bullshit deletion? If you cant get laid don't go say its in the name of religion its pathetic

Frodo Baggins on :

So your saying an uneducated farm boy founded a church with over 14million people in it and wrote a book? All on his own? :-)

poop on :

if you believe in god your a fucking idiot. i was raised jewish and its a bunch of bullshit. i dated a mormon and her family was fucking crazy and she was brainwashed. its sucked. i have no respect for mormons. however i think all religion is stupid. so again if you believe in god wether your a jew, catholic, mormon or islam your wrong, dumb, and fucking gullible. there is no god. never has been never will be

Chris on :

Hey mormons, go take the midwest with you and secede from the United States FOREVER! We hate your guts and wish you would die tomorrow.

elder matumbo on :

As Mr. Frodo pointed out, mormons love to mention that they have 14 million members, and they always claim “how can 14 million people be wrong?" Well they can! 14 million and two to be exact! 14 million mormons + george bush + micheal jacksons Doctor = 14 million and 2 wrong people.
Using frodos retarded logic, then we must assume that since there are over 2 billion muslims in the world, the muslims must be right then eh? you stupid fucktard mormon!

Dani on :

I just wanted to add my two cents here.. I have many good friends that are mormon, and if you're wondering how I got to this page, I was curious about what people thought about mormonism, and I found this. Now, nobody is perfect, I know, and many people have different beliefs, which I tolerate. But there has to be one truth, I mean can all these religions be "correct?" I guess you could call me a christian, but I dont like to label myself becausd labels usually lead to concrete assumptions about that particular group, yenno what I mean? For example, when someone says "Christian," people automatically think church on Sundays, prayer, and missionaries. Jesus freaks. But these acts alone are NOT what define christianity. Christianity is a relationship with God. HE created us. He is the source of all that is good and we are able to love because he loved us first! Don't you see? If we love God, and all have a unified goal to honor him, then everything, actions, thoughts, deeds, will ALL naturally follow. Reading the bible and prayer, for example. Now there also many interpretations of the bible. Who is right? Who knows? Who is given the privilege to deem one intrepretation as correct and the other as incorrect, or worng, or plain stupid? no one. We can only maintain our relationship with God and strive to be like him... Love. that being said you guys, I just find it hard to believe that all these mormon rituals, such as sealing couples and recieving special names etc. (i am only stating things I have heard about mormonism) are real. It just seems too bound up by technicalities and such. All we need is god, and eveeything else follows... Love y'all

TK (Admin) on :

OK, let's say Mormons aren't completely retarded... Did you know that Mormons believe that Native American's skin color is because they were not followers of God? Do you know that Mormons believe that a Native American (American Indian) can become white by converting to Mormonism? It is so absolutely ridiculous and absurd. Read about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamanite

Elder Matumbo on :

Nice Try Dani
Your secret garments are showing. You better get longer sleeves on your blouse.
Mormons ALWAYS say how much they “tolerate” other people’s beliefs. They also say they respect what others believe, but they DO NOT. If they did, why would they send brainwashed missionaries out to pound on doors peddling their insane religion. Then if they dont get them there, they just baptize them when they die anyway. What arrogant presumption !

Yes BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD! This mormon practice has Batshit Crazy written all over it. Forget the “sealings” and “new temple names” that is nothing. mormons say fuck everybody’s right to believe what they want, those arrogant pricks just assume everyone wants to be a mormon in the next life so they baptize dead people by proxy. (I mention by proxy because some may not put it past these crazy fuckers to dig up the dead bodies and baptize em if it were not against the law.)

This practice of Dead baptisms has been in the news recently because mormons have been baptizing some prominent holocaust victims and mitt romneys father in law. The fucktard prophet monsoon says that baptizing famous dead people is against the rules and this was a mistake made by an over zelous church member. So what make famous people so special? You have NO RIGHT to baptize anyone’s dead relatives. What a goddamn freak show!

You are free to believe and practice all the freekass shit in the world as long as you KEEP IT TO YOURSELVES! Once you stop doing that, and cross the line into other people’s lives, you get what is coming to you. And stop whining about it.

Dani on :

Awe shucks!
I'm really not mormon, on though ... :-(
And it sucks that I have no way of proving that to you
Elder Matumbo, just know that Jesus loves you(:

Anonymous on :

Hey Dani
I am sure Jesus loves you too. (even if you are a mormon)
I do know of a way you can prove that you are not though.

You seem to know something about temples as you mentioned secret names etc. If you are not a mormon you will not have a problem describing the second token of the melchezidek priesthood.

A real moromon cant talk about it, because they have made an oath to slit their throats if discuss this outside of the temple. (absolutely true). A real mormon would say "the temple is sacred not secret"

So if you tell us about this I will let you off the hook and stop thinking that you are a kool-aid drinking, throat slitting, dead baptizing, dark skined hating cultist.

And if you are truly not a mormon, stay far far away from those mormon friends, because they are only your friends because there is a chance they can suck you in.

I will pray for your soul.

Elder Maumbo on :

Sorry Dani, for some reason that last post came up as anonymous.

I just wanted to be sure you knew that love bomb was from me.

Dani on :

Say whaaaat? This is like a trap! If I'm not mormon but don't have a clue what you're talking about and am not able to tell you what that is, you'll still call me a mormon!

And as for my mormon friends, I will remain friends with them, and try to talk them out of morminism. This the religion they've been born into and known for their lives, they don't know any better!

And thank you for the prayers, I really need them right now...

Elder Matumbo on :

Of course it is a trap, but it really doesn’t matter. If you are not a mormon, you are ill equipped to be a mormon apologist as you do not have enough information to be able to defend anything mormon. The fact is that there is overwhelming evidence to support TKs’ statement that “mormons are completely fucking retarded”.

If you simply scratch the surface of actual mormon doctrine it does not take long to expose the insanity. The mormon church has been using the PR engine to whitewash the core beliefs and original doctrine of mormonism. They do this because they are trying to appear normal to attract new members, but also behind the scenes right now, they are trying to help elect a mormon president of the U.S.

Another mormon lie is that the the church does not get involved in politics. If that were the case, why would they pump 20 million dollars of charitable donatations into proposition 8 in California? The obvious reason they did it this is because they are homophobic, but the other is to try to buy acceptance to the Christian community. It didnt work.

You hit the nail on the head when you said that your mormon friends have been members since birth and don't know any better. Good luck with that. Children are exposed to repetitive songs and testimonies and are indoctrinated from the day they are born. They are brought up in a protected bubble, protected from any critical thought of their own.

Frodo on :

oh, geez elder M.! I was just makin' conversation! But that wasn't my point. My point waz that JS founded it as a small ill-educated farm boy and this was it's result. Not so much the result as the begining.

me on :

i agree with this page.

Luke on :

Helllllloooooo I was born into Mormonism but haven't been to the church in 10 years for a reason but you have to have some solid facts other than stereotyping to have a legitimate point on this blog. Uneducated ignorant blunders make you look stupid.

Paul on :

I agree with this title so much. And who ever posted this.

Elder Matumbo on :

OK, Sorry about that Frodo. I have such disdain for anything mormon, I come unglued at just a whiff of green jello and ham.

You are right, except that the mormons today have to be even more batshit crazy than back in the joseph smith days. Back then, educaton and science were not high priorities. Now they have no excuse for believing the shit they do... Well, maybe years of cousins marrying each other does take a toll.

The mormon whacktard beliefs and practices seem to finally be getting the exposure they deserve with the likes of mitt romney, baptizing peoples dead relatives, and spending a whole lot of donated money on gay hate.

This is a dangerous, arrogant religion. If there is a god, I hope he ties mitt romney to the roof of his car for the next family trip to kolob.

Some Mormon on :

I think the real reason anyone finds any religion "retarded" is because they don't bother to even attempt to open their mind. They think everything they know everything already but what does anyone understand really? The whole idea that there are other planets in the universe is crazy on its own. With something as vast as space how can we even begin to doubt the idea that maybe there is god. As humans we don't really understand anything which is why its nice to have a religion to follow that seems to right to the individual. I am LDS and I do believe everything I've been taught. To you that may seem crazy or retarded but you wouldn't understand because you don't have that spiritual side to you or haven't tried exercising it. There's plenty to the book of mormon that coinsides with the bible and one thing I'll never understand is why people don't think we're christian. We obviously believe in Jesus Christ... We are the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints... But I guess that's completely dismissable. Anyhow feel free to believe what you believe but don't be so quick as to think something is stupid or retarded because in a universe like this and only being human, there's so much we don't understand that it seems almost anything is possible. 5000 years ago, a life like today's seemed like it would be impossible to create, technology and people have advanced so much yet one thing that hasn't changed are the beliefs in some sort of belief in a higher being. Anything sounds ridiculous when you guys word things so simply when we all know there's much more to the mormon faith than you begin to cover. One last thing I'd like to bring up to maybe appease the non-believers, lets pretend that there is no god and everything that you thonk is completely true. Well in the last moments of your life, you know that you're just going to die and be the end of it. Needless to say you won't want to die because you know nothing will happen once your dead. Well at least for someone of the mormon faith, they'd have hope when they die that they would see their past family members and start their new life, meet god, and feel a sense of peace. So when you look at it that way doesn't it want to make you sort of at least have that comfort when you die? I'm just putting that out there but I know all you want to do is go ahead and rip us mormons apart so go on. Just venting after reading everything. Oh and btw the reason we don't encourage gays is not because we hate them but it would create families where children can't be born, and if we let laws pass where gays marry, we'd be legally forced to marry them in our temples which our church is obviously completely against. Gays are completely allowed in the church as long as they don't date/marry others of the same sex and they follow the teachings. It may sound ridiculous but I'm pretty sure sexually a world couldn't survive in a world where everyone was gay. That's why its believed marriage is between a man and a woman. No one here hates gays gosh....

Lostprophet on :

Im not entirely sure if i beleive in god or not, i think Though there is absolutely no proof and never will be any and anything that hasnt left a trace probably isnt real? The only problem is we had to come from somewhere. Also if there is a god probably nobody has the story right in the first place. As for mormons being christian, its a knockoff / addon that some halfwhit pulled out of a hat in the 1800's and for some f'ed up reason people believed despite the fact that he couldnt even do the translation the same 2 times? You guys love to bring up the "well jesus is in our name" bullshit as much as possible seeming making your weird cult seem more real and legit, give it a break christians are christians (i am not), they are the only christians and they do not read the book of mormon because if you buy into that dumbass document you are now mormon. You say there is more to mormon than we cover, well i really didnt have to go much past the history of how it came to be to see its a joke and was made up by joseph smith and i dont see much point in looking any further, if i want fiction i perfer it atleast be funny! Honestly i wish it'd go the way of other cults, by that i mean into the ground via a giant bowl of "punch". But until that happens atleast maybe we can keep one from making president, anyone stupid enough to think the book of mormon is really the words of a higher power and not the words of some loser that wanted to marry multiple underage girls is far to stupid to run one of the most powerful countries in the world! I would only vote for a mormon over a scientologist and thats just because you guys are about one branch shy of them on the dumbass religions tree.

Cake at Midnight on :

Where to start with this one???? Open your mind! God was a man and progressed to godhood--ridiculous! Wear your undergarments--retarded! Works to achieve the highest level of heaven and then on to your own godhood, your own planet, and your wife, or wives if you are lucky who will bear spirit babies forever, spare me. Don't drink the coffee, soooo naughty. The U.S. was populated by people of Jewish descent who took a boat over from Israel. Oh yah, Jesus came over to America too. You open your mind! Who will your forever family be? Have you ever thought of that....will you be with your grandparents, parents, or your own family....can't be with everyone on your own planet. You can only meet God if you go to the highest level of heaven. Where is any this in the Bible? Where is any of this in the Book of Mormon? Did you know that JS shot and killed 2 people before he was shot and killed. That is not a martyr, he was armed. Let's talk about temple marriage. You would have to legally marry people in the temple that are gay, if it is made legal? That doesn't even make sense, oh, but none of your stuff makes sense. I don't think Mormons have to marry anyone in the temple who isn't temple worthy, you know pay the ten percent mandatory tithe. I don't think (ya, I said it, I think) a gay person would be allowed to be married in the temple because all kinds of people can't get married in your temples already, you have rules and they have nothing to do with laws. Have you ever thought that the world is over populated and people no longer need to breed like rabbits. If gay marriage was made legal, that wouldn't change anyones sexual orientation. I would still be straight. Not everyone wants to be gay, duh! If you believe in the Bible, all you have to do is believe that Jesus died for your sins. Simple as that. No works will save you. No secret Masonry symbols or handshakes or secret names will save you. Beware of false prophets! Look up Angel of Light and see what comes up, you are being lied too. Open your mind! Don't get to riled up when you go to a sight about Mormons being complete fucktards, because that is what it is going to be about.

Elder Matumbo on :

"Some mormons" cult programmed post is so asinine it made me puke a bit in my mouth.

Quote "I think the real reason anyone finds any religion retarded, is because they dont bother to opeh their mind"

Right back at ya bubble boy!

Quote " to you that may seem crazy or retarded but you would undersand because you don't have a spiritual side"

Typical mormon arrogance! Unless you are a mormon, and believe that blacks are black because they were cursed by god, how could you ever be as spiritual and as "white and delightsome" (book of mormon) as a mormon.

Quote " I am LDS and I believe everything I've been taught"

Not only retarded, but ignorant and oblivious! Morbot alert! Cult alert

Quote " there is plenty to the book of mormon that coinsides with the bible"

Yes, part of the book of mormon do coincide with the bible. All the parts that were copied from the bible that is, the rest is bullshit made up by josephs myth and sidney rigdon. Like the part that Jews came over in wooden submarines and started a civilization in South America. There is a little piece of science unknown to the bubble dwelling mormons called DNA that proves this fantasy is false.

Quote "I'll never understand why people don't think we are Christian"

mormons are not Christians. They have made up a whole different version of Jesus than the real Jesus. The mormon Jesus beams in and out of New York State, South America, and salt lick city utah. The mormon Jesus stops in to get advice on world affairs from the profit tommy the teabagger monson.

Quote "Gays are completely allowed in the church as long as they don't date or marry others of the same sex, and follow the teachings"

This is pretty much the most ignorant, offensive, batshit comment of his/her/its post.

You are allowed to be a gay mormon as long as you are NOT GAY! Oh, unless of course you are a scout master, then you are allowed to fondle and bugger all the cub scouts you wish, only if you promise not to DATE or MARRY them. What a goddamn retard!

I do hope somebody pokes some holes in that mormon bubble you live in so you can breathe in there. well... on second thought.

John on :

The mormons have managed to fool the vast majority of people into believing that their religion is benign, which is most certainly is not. The entire mormon religion is a complete fraud. You only need to read the book of mormon to realize this. Even the name of their church is a fraud. "The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints" is the official name of the mormon religion, however, the mormons do not believe that Jesus is one and the same as God. They are not Christians in any sense of the word and yet they put his name right up front to make everyone think they are, in fact, christians. The mormons believe that they can become gods themselves and if they follow the mormon doctrine they can become gods themselves They are not monotheists. They are polytheists which makes them pagans. I'm an atheist myself (former catholic), so I have no respect for any religion. All religions are frauds, but the LDS church has a hidden agenda to rule the world. They are more of a tax exempt business than a religion. They also wear magic underwear, not that there's anything wrong with that. Jesus!

Elder Matumbo on :

The magic underware is part of the corporate engine. I am pretty sure that Jockey or Victoria secret would love to have a built in customer base of 10 million underware customers.

You can't just go down to wal mart and pick yourself up some magic mormon underware on sale, you have to buy it from the mormons. They make millions on that cheap polyester shit that frays and turns yellow after 10 washes so you have to buy more. They brainwash mormons to believe that you must cut out the symbols on the breasts, bellybuttonm, and knee and burn them after use so you will not be tempted to wear them too many times and not buy more and more. Religious underware? not a chance. Unless your religion is greed I guess.

Its not Tommy Hilfiger, its the tommy hooknose monson collection.

James on :

I have a suggestion for all those who wish to bash my religion.. I've been a convert for 4 years now, and I've never been this happy. This church has changed my life from taking me away from a gang life to now serving in the army and getting ready to go to college to study criminal justice and become an officer for the army.. And the people in the church do vary, yes, from extremist to down to earth people who merely believe in something greater than themselves, but that's with anything that you may be a part of, religion or not.. But even if this church is wrong, I would not be happier in any other religion, I've tried nearly everything, from baptist to even Buddhism, but none amout to what I have felt here in this church... But my suggestion I mentioned earlier is to find out for yourself what our church truly believes, read the introduction page that testifies our beliefs, or go a step further and take part in one church service, then you'll truly have the right to bash and hold an opinion about our church.. Till then, no.. Btw, not meaning to bash you personally but throwing the f bombs around mindlessly in a "thoughtful" argument is childish, rude and unprofessional, just putting that out there. To those who takes my suggestion to heart, thank you :-)

RationalGuy on :

I am a Mormon, but in name only. I was jumped in at 8 years old and brainwashed into it. It's a mistake to say that believers are morons. This is unfortunate, because smart zealots can be dangerous. They have been psychologically tricked. Unless you are predisposed to be a free thinker, it's almost impossible to change out of a system of belief like this. To outsiders with any smarts at all, it's an obvious crock of shit, but it took me years to find that out and correct myself away from the primitive magical thinking that is religion. Most of them are good people, but they absolutely KNOW they are right. You can't argue rationally with people like that.

Robbie on :

Well tithe me sideways..
Yes, all brainwashed fucked up retards who've left commonsense at the door so as to pursue a life of arrogant fuckeuppededness in the company of fellow fuckeduppedness arrogant type fucktards who would sooner love-bomb you to death and offer you a biscuit than listen to a word of commonsense emanating from your sinful educated lips.
It's as though they're saying "please support my delusion.. pleeeeese....see, I'm offering you a biscuit... this means I'm a GOOD PERSON and not atheist anti Mormon scum like yourself"
Cognitive dissonance somebody... cog-ni-tive diss-o-nance... ???
Please keep your elitist arrogant ideas to yourself and fuck off.
Thank you.
(yes close the door, Smithtard you Cheshire Cat fucked up Moron Shite head)

Thankyou for listening (bows, retreats backwards)

Emmett on :

James says he's never been happier than he now is, as a Mormon. Well, that's just hunky-dory, but it shows very little personal insight. If you believe the religion into which you were born, you're a dope for not thinking independently. If you're shopping for religions, you don't trust your own mind. In either case, it's just a drug you're using.

Why is it so hard to accept that there is no god? And who the hell wants to have eternal life? I don't want to spend eternity with trillions of people! Heck, I don't want to spend it with myself. I do believe I'd tire of me in a few billion years.

Elmore Kara on :

Yup. Mormons are the dumbest humans that have ever walked the earth.

Young Fighter on :

Hi, if you all believe that it is right to be mean to people for you own enjoyment than that is wrong. I'm 12 and I am Mormon. I'm proud of it! If you took a fraction of the time you put into this page and looked into our religion you would not have something to bash. We don't have sex till we are married. We don't drink alcohol, or do bad to our body's. We dress modestly and don't use our body's to get what we want. I have not met one mean Mormon. We are not brain-washed. We look into the religion and make the choice for ourselves. While ready this you made me want to cry. Now you have joy, right? Wrong. Me and my family will be together forever and happy. So will you. Open your mind, I have and I can't find anything better than what I have. So have fun with what your doing cause your not effecting any of our life's, just yours. (by the way I found this while searching something else)

Robbie on :

@Young Fighter.
"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man"
Have you ever explored the implications of that statement?
Ever studied psychology?
Do you tie your predominant hand to the bed-post at night?
Do you believe that cows, horses, oxen and goats existed in North America in 590 BCE?
Can you levitate?

Young Fighter on :

@Robbie, did you forgot that i'm 12? And yes cows, horses, oxen, goats, and more were on the earth in many places in 590 BC. Did you know that they found the garden of eve in america? Think about it. (that's all i have to say to you) To the rest of you, Joseph Smith was not a con man. And he did not have 33 wife's. And religion is not chosen through facts and things you can see, but in faith and things you feel. I was really sick and I couldn't move without wanting to vomit so my mom called the missionary's to give me a blessing to heal. They did, I went to bed, and the next I woke up feeling perfect. You can't go from puking to feeling fine. Okay that blessing is what really made me have faith in my religion. And when I prayed and asked god if Mormonism was the right choice I had this feeling that is indescribable, it was amazing and because of it I know that my church is true! :-)

Robbie on :

@ "Young" fighter... I never believed for one minute that you were 12!
Smith was a confidence trickster, it's evidential my dear.
Garden of Eden in America? wow... really? Ever heard of the Rift Valley?
And ever questioned why the one of the missionaries and your mum aren't allowed to share a room together without another person present?

And I guess that's all I have to say to you, too...

Emmett on :

I once spoke with a Mormon who was asked why, if cows existed in America prior to 300 BCE, no bones, bodies, nor fossils have ever been found to prove this. His answer? "God took those pieces of evidence up into heaven so that we could live by faith alone."

Honestly, these people can come up with reasons to justify EVERYTHING. You can't reason with pigheads like that. All we can do is laugh and work hard to see that we NEVER elect a Mormon President.

Jacq on :

Agreed. People who scream about religious freedom/respect usually don't care about freedom/respect for others in general.

People who say that they can only make good choices and learn from religion apparently haven't realized yet that one can also make good choices and learn in life without it. Furthermore, if you need your morals spoonfed to you in order to be considered a decent human being, then perhaps the question of how 'good' or moral you really are should be asked. The question people should ask themselves is not whether the Mormon church (or any church for that matter) is good or bad; it's whether they themselves (the people) are (good or bad). And if you can only be defined morally by what your church has taught you, then you are weak.

Don't even get me started on the concept of 'repentance.' That applies to all the churches and religions out there that espouse this idea. If you wrong someone, instead of asking the sky man to forgive you, why don't you (*here comes the clue train*):

1) Ask the person you wronged instead
2) Accept that maybe you don't deserve forgiveness (if you're being that thoughtless about things anyway)
3) Learn what penance really means, and ask yourself how to possibly resolve the problem (or learn to deal with the consequences)

Learn to live with some true conviction, and let go of the religion/security blanket.

Elder Matumbo on :

Young Fighter, if you are truly 12 as you claim, then I am sad for you because I was the same kind of mormon asshole zealot when I was 12. When you are 12 you have no critical thoughts of your own. You simply regurgitate what you hear others say. As as a mormon, you are kept in the bubble as much as possible so that you do not pick up any thought not approved by the mormons. This is called brainwashing, and this is why mormonism is considered a cult.

With regard to you prayers, I also prayed. I prayed to ask if mormonism was wrong and I got the same undescribable feeling telling me that mormonism is false and dangerous. So who's answer is correct? mine or yours? You really have no right to say your prayers are answered and mine are not. However, that is the typical arrogance of mormonism.

One day you will realize that all of what you said you believe in your post is completelly incorrect. I hope for your sake, it is sooner than later. You cannot make a claim that mormons don't drink or have sex etc. etc. You can say that many mormons do not, or that mormons should not, but the fact is, mormons do.
I have many mormon friends that drink with me. How do you stop a mormon from drinking all your beer on a fishing trip? bring another mormon. mormons are hypocrites. I currently work with a mormon bishop who is having an affair with one of the girls at work. If you are too young to know what an affiar is, it means he is fucking a girl who is not his wife. He fucks her alot! Affairs happens quite often with repressed mormon men and women.

I wasted many years of my life on mormonism including 2 years on a mission. I guess in retrospect the mission was not a waste because it was there that I first realized that mormonism was bullshit. Just imagine being in mississippi and trying to explain to a room full of black people why blacks were not allowed to have the preisthood because they were cursed. I was scared as hell and it was worse when I realized that I did not have a legitimate answer. Even worse is the mormon church still does not have a legitimate answer and they are trying to sweep it all under the rug.

There is no one alive that can make the claim to "know" that God existis. But I can tell you, if there is a God, it would not be the God that the mormons have created. Please come down off that pedistal of mormon arrogance that you are climbing cause it will be a hard fall. It has taken me some time to heal.

Young Fighter on :

@Robbie, why in the world would my mom and a missionary share a room? Are you crazy? We don't have sex till we are married. You are just rude and I AM 12!!! WHAT YOU ARE SAYING MEANS NO SENSE EXPLAIN PLEASE. Any who have you looked into my religion as I have advised, have you actually thought about it before cussing Joseph Smith of being a con, no. Like I said before religion is not chosen through facts and things you can see but by faith and things you feel. You will never have a true testimony until you open your heart and look into yourself. Do that then say what religion you believe in.

Jacq on :

Young Fighter, I have little brother who is your age.... My family lives in Provo, and Utah is pretty much all he knows/remembers.

No one tries to convert us anymore... except for him. You want to know why? BECAUSE HE'S 11.

>.>

Truth is not what you believe (that makes no sense). Truth is what remains, even if you don't believe it, even if you don't like it. That can be harder to live with in life sometimes, but it's far more liberating than living in a comfort bubble of denial for the rest of your life. I'm sure you can't even fathom/imagine not being Mormon/believing, because it's all you know; it's also your whole family and a large part of your social circle, right?

Well guess what.... Billions of people in this world aren't Mormon, and love their families and friends just as much (and probably oftentimes even more).

But, maybe just don't think too much. I'm sure most Mormons would prefer their bubbles to the social stigma/ostracism that would most certainly come with looking for real truth and understanding (and speaking of those thoughts).

You are only 12 after all. Good luck to you in life.

Jake on :

Everyone has a right to believe in what they want. I agree that Mormons don't have the most solid story to support their religion but it doesnt mean you have to point it out. They really do believe that and that is their problem so just go believe what you believe and them believe what they believe. Although they are racist, sexist, biglist (it's like racist against religions), and homophobic they are truly nice people. I live in an all Mormon town and I am catholic and the Mormons here are nice.

P.S. If you want to be a biglet against Mormons why don't you get off of your computer and go do it in person. Start a campaign to make the Mormon religion illegal or something. Do something productive.

Robbie on :

"Although they are racist, sexist, big list - homophobic - they are truly nice people"
hahahaha! :-)
Hey I can add a few more to your 'big list' Jake.... and they'd include all the faults and failings that we all have as human beings, take 'dishonest' for instance and 'incongruent/hypocritical' etc.
It's just that some of us make more of an effort to pursue "good" not by proselytising bullshit (etc) but by extending our humanity within the constraints and inescapable bounds of reality!

Elder Matubbo on :

Jake, how can you be a Catholic and live in an "all mormon town"?

Sharon O on :

I work for a female Mormon attorney. This ignorant cunt is such a BITCH!! She has her head so far up her ass she'll never see daylight! So fucking PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE! If I even tried to state the ways in which she is an asshole I'M the one who would sound crazy!

Okay, this morning, she went to use the copy machine and she found some checks lying on the glass. I had gone into the room just behind her and she said "These checks aren't yours, are they?" I said "No, they must belong to [name of bookkeeper]." And she said "But they're not yours are they?" ARRRRGGGGGG!!! Didn't my answer imply that they weren't mine, and that I was trying to be helpful by saying who they probably belonged to??

Is she RETARDED or what??? Or is she just trying to maintain her position of control by being an asshole??

just venting . . . .

Not a hyporcite on :

Seriously? You believe Mormons are retarded. And the reasons you state are the exact same reasons that athiests say that you are retarded?

Non Mormon religions that believe you should pay their church money, say that Mormons, who believe in Jesus Christ, and Christiantiy, are not Christians.

That is like saying a car salesman who believes in selling cars is anti sales.

Give your head a shake!

I could argue that all of you religious hypocrites have no proof to base your religion on, and I would be 100% correct!. Belief in God requires a leap of faith. To believe the way your Bible thumping way is the ONLY way to God, is prideful and I don't want to believe the way you do, because that would be a sin.

drewfaught on :

im 12 and im a mormon because i like pie yall dont like mormons because you dont have the power of pie 3.14159264 ill see you in hell (try reading the book of mormon) cause i can tell you havent.

Daniel on :

i aint a mormon but if i saw you talkin like that to a mormon or anyone else of any faith for that matter, you would be sent to the emergency room. o and fyi if you wanna have your opinions so sound like anything but a pissed off 14 year old bitch that was grounded and screaming "your ruining my life" do real research i just did on the mormons and in ten min. i found out about all the humanitarian work they do around the world. fuckin retard

Robbie on :

Daniel, have you heard of the social welfare provided by Hamas for the Palestinians in the occupied territories? If not, spend another ten studious minutes on Google to perhaps enlighten yourself a little more. And so using your logic, does this “get out of jail free card” also put Hamas beyond criticism and ridicule for the beliefs it purports and sometimes explosively demonstrates?
Are you prepared to put someone (presumably smaller than yourself) into the ER if they spoke out against these fucktards?
In this black and white world of yours do you feel nice and safe in your ‘white’ corner?
Pray tell...

“I will be to this generation a new Mohammed” Joseph Smith jnr
[confidence trickster and illiterate author of the best selling “Book of Moron” go and grab a copy Dan, it’s GREAT reading]

Lostprophet on :

I kind of think "you aint a mormon" isnt totally accurate but that aside...... The humanitarian work is really a non-point because the post isnt mormons are bad people. The post is they are f'ing retarded which is true, anyone buying into the bullshit and snake oil joseph smith was peddling is either dumb as a post or f'ing retarded. Pretty much if you believe some dude in the 1800's pulled a religion out of a hat which magic stones, your not all that bright!

Robbie on :

Hey Lostprophet, I've just had this awful thought.... you know how the martyr ethos lives and (unfortunately) breeds in moronic squared circles?
Radical Missionaries... you answer the doorbell and before you've had the chance to say "fuck off you retards" (in the politest possible manner)

BANG!!

"Suicide Missionaries coming to a door near you"... sounds like the introduction to the latest Hollywood Blockbuster, doesn't it?

Vansede on :

Mormons are wrong. We cannot become gods. We are gods already since Adam and Eve partook the forbidden fruit where they have fallen and be strayed. Alas! What is wrong with them. Jesus said already to the Jews and Pharisees: you are gods. Why are gods, because we know good and evil. Well, I hope you understand what I said, because we are gods. We are minor gods. Since, we all have many and lots of intelligent people who are clever and geniuses and intelligent. You are gods. Because Jesus was right.

Robbie on :

So we're all "gods" then are we?
Hmm, must remember to tell my ex-wife that...

Hey if Nazareth didn't exist during Jesus's time (it didn't), then what are the odds Jesus existed? and... imagine (if he did exist) the story about the "good" Samaritan being translated into modern day text as "The Story of the Good Native American Indian" or "The Good Aborigine... or Greek, Japanese, Irishman" etc. The obvious implication being that the named above aren't usually 'good'.
What Jesus a racist? Never....
Here's a good one "The Story of the Good Mormon".
Does it for me...

mary on :

I recent some of the comments concerning the Carnival religion. Individuals who posted those comments are very ignorant and cannot write. As far as the Mormon religion is concerned, so they do not follow the traditional Christian beliefs. My neighbors are Mormon, and they have never pushed their religion on me and my husband. In fact, they have helped us when our baby was born. They took care of our six year old for a week. Not too many people nowadays, including "Christians", would do this. Yes, their beliefs are very different, but they should not continue to be persecuted because they are following their religion. We live in a free country, ay least now. Most Mormons are true followers. At least they are not a sadistic religion-my opinion.

Robbie on :

I would suggest Mary that you have some very decent neighbours who happen to be Mormon. Have they been so kind to you and your family because their religion has told them to be, or because they're just decent people? Does a decent person have to be defined by their beliefs or by their actions irrespective of their beliefs?
And there's a huge difference between 'persecution' and ridicule. It's got to be remembered how some members of minority groups love to play the 'victim' card. "Help help, I'm being repressed". I think re Mormons, Scientologists and other more mainstream death cults (such as Catholicism, Islamism... Evangelism etc) it's a sad reflection upon their creed when they need to be reminded every Sunday (or whenever) how to be good.
Please, somebody disagree with me.

Mr. Magooy on :

Why do you people care if mormons are brainwashed I was raised Mormon ya it still makes me mad to hear mormons bitching about there finances and then giving away 10% but that is there choice it don't hurt me none. All you arrogant athiest you cannot prove anything mormons and the hardcore athiets both say the same retarded thing I know what happens after death and I know how the universe was created no one know no one will ever no til the annunaki cone back and bring the new era

agnostic dude on :

Wow. A lot of you are "fucktards"! Sure, mormonism is complete bullshit, but in all honesty, the members of the LDS church remain more faithful and kind-hearted than most other christians that I have met. how can any of you bash them but not bash Catholicism, which is just as full of shit and hypocritical. I know what I am talking about too, having attended catholic mass and being a member of LDS when I was younger. I have done my research and there are actually a few accounts of women having multiple husbands(although that could be bullshit). Interesingly enough, it is said that the early days of mormonism taught that polygamy increased ones chances of attaining godhood and the multiple wives were needed to populate the multiple worlds these men would be god of. Yes pretty fucked up. But do some research. Polygamy is not just condoned but encouraged in the bible. Say what you will of mormons but at least most of them are true to their faith and they are nice people wbich is more than I can say of most catholics I have met. In my experiences, however, most kind-hearted intelligant people I have me are agnostic and atheist. And a little known fact; agnostics and atheists make up less than 1 % of the prison population. All organized religion is ridiculously absurd. Especially the abrahamic religions(christianity, islam, judeism). But as I said, mormons(even though they are accused by other christians of not being christian) are more so what christians should be than other christians. So much fucking hypocrisy! And again(so there is no confusion), mormons are nice and helpful people but still just as mislead and moronic as the rest. I will leave you with a quote. Whoever guesses the the person I quote gets a cookie; "If we believe in absurdities, we shall commit atrocities"

Scott Dendy on :

It's all bullshit. Science is real ! ¥£€£¥£€£¥ all these mofo's.

Normans are Normans.

Pinheads are pinheads.

Lostprophet on :

The difference between the two that makes mormon followers dumb is that the bible has be around since way before "modern" science and knowledge, it would have been real easy for a clever person to pass off "my god did it" to explain the things that were not understood which mind you was simple shit today like rain and not pulling out. Then its past on and on through several generations of your family, until the smart ones choose to think for themselves and realize all that is FAIRLY unlikely. For mormons a conartist made that stuff up in the 1800's, by that time anybody thinking this idiot dug up gold plates and used, um, "magic seer stones" to translate them in a hat and when tested couldnt even get the same translation twice is also dumb or slow. You can put any combination of rocks and minerals on any combination of gold plates all day and never once come up with child brides and polygamy are ok! It should never have been passed on by anyone, they should have said joseph smith, you sir are an idiot then beat him and had him committed. That said i cant prove that no god of any kind exists but if god created us an the planet for us and were all special, why arent we even the center of anything? Not the solar system, galaxy or universe. Youd think if we were that special we'd not be set out aside like an afterthought or eventual end result of something else, right?

Burden of proof on :

The origin of existence cannot be treated as evidence for god. If you believe that god is an eternal being, why the fuck can't matter be an eternal existence as well? Where did god come from? Explain to me the origin of god, and I'll give you the argument. Until then you remain a stupid cunt, in my humble opinion.

Faith, what horse shit? Believing in something that cannot be proven. Need we explore the falsity any further? Also, you religious cunts claiming that any resistance to your faith merits proof.. holy shit.. definitely retarded.

Lastly, those claiming to derail atheism based on the burden of proof. You have got to be shitting me. The burden of proof lies upon the claiming party. Atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief. This shit is so simple, I don't understand how so many people in the world are religious. It's SO. FUCKING. FAIL.

Robbie on :

I was recently asked (incidentally by a Mormon) why I perceived a non-existant [sic] god to be such a threat.
Face palm.
Now, I’m pretty seasoned in this debate - as this person is too, but on receiving such a stupid fucking question rather than reply with equally stupid fucking answer (such as “he told me that he was”) I inquired as to what they didn’t believe in. And then went on to state how unprovable pink dildos in orbit around Uranus (or was it a china celestial teapot between Earth and Mars?) don’t preach to me moral guidelines on how to live my life, nor do they threaten Hell (or worse) Heaven and … (to quote George Carlin, not Voltaire) “More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason”; now how many of you out there know of warring factions who fight with an imaginary pink dildo on their side?

Dee Dee on :

When man came on this earth he had no explantation for so many things. He didn't know why people die and what happens to them after they die. How they got here etc so they started making up stories to comfort people. If they think they are going to heaven when they die then they aren't freaking out. If they are good they will get eternal life. So that gave people the incentive to do what is right. Then everyone keep adding to the stories and changing things around. Adding rules and regulations. It's all man made. If there was no intelligent life on earth would there be a god? It has to take an intelligent person to stop and think about it. Therefore man had to invent god.
Out of the whole humungous universe earth is just a speck. Can you really believe that we are the only living beings out here? NOT! But yet "god" picked earth for mother, moses, Joseph, and Jesus etc. to come and do their thing. Now explain to me this arc thing. that thing had to be as big as San Francisco to put all those animals ( that don't fight or eat each other) on this boat with enough food and water. Who scooped all that poop up? Come on. Made up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway I hate the mormons because they have brainwashed my granddaughter and now she is a lost cause. They will have her married at 18 and having kids the first year. The more kids she has the more tithing the church gets. Well just wanted to put my thoughts out there

Chelsea poyurs on :

I am Mormon. But I fucking hate being Mormon!!!! Let me tell from someone who has tried to be brainwashed! All the fucking Mormons are retarded rude AF and don't give a shit about anyone else they think they are so much fucking better than everyone else and that everyone should be Mormon! They don't care who you are they just want you to be Mormon so they can shove their beliefs so far up your fucking ass you choke they are brainwashing the entire world well they are trying at least. But I have been going almost every sunday for 15 years and not EVER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE has something good come out of it. Truth be told before I was pretty Molly Mormon and from what I have seen and how I have been treated I will personally teach my kids as fucking much as possibly how fucked up this religion and church is!!!!! They say they are here to help you NOPE they are here to personally judge your past and any weakness they can find!!!!!!!! FUCK YOU MORMONS!!!!!!!

Nikky on :

Wow...You do relize that you gave no evidence as to why you feel the way you do? I am a Mormon and I can tell you that Joseph Smith was not shot in the fact but in the chest. I know this because as he fell out the window with his dieing breath he proclaimed "My Lord, my God." Also we do not beleive everything, we are presented our books of scriptures along with the Bible, and modern day revelation from our modern prophets and then take what we have learned and pray and ponder so that we might know for ourselves. There are still things that I am struggling to understand, but God's mind does not work like ours. Please remember that there are extreemests and crazys in everys sect and that we are only trying to make the world a better place. If you really want to understand who we are and what we believe in, not what is preached on websites like this then pick up a Book of Mormon or check out the Mormon.org website. I am not saying that you need to convert, only that if it scares you that much then maybe you need to try to understand it instead of ranting about it here without any evidence or leverage.

Too smart for "gods" on :

You have no idea (if there is a god) how his mind works, it honestly could work exactly like ours? Also there person who shot joseph smith did the world a service its just too bad they didnt do it several years earlier before he made up your religion, had that happened id concider him a hero. And you say "Also we do not beleive everything", honestly if you can say this half of my religion is fake/made up but the other half is 100% accurate (based on no facts because there arent any facts), your an idiot! If your religion is half lies you should rethink things and wonder why your wasting time with bullshit! And why trust a church that controls your life all they way down to your underwear! Mormons are a giant failure and i hope for the end of the world so we can all point and laugh at how they are all just as f*cked as the rest of us!

Nikky on :

Too smart for "gods", I am sorry you believe what you do, I never said that my religion was full of lies, I said that I am still seeking and pondering to know and understand some of the things about my religion that I don't yet understand. I do not see my religion controling, as for our underwear it isd a symbol of protection, you can choose not to wear it if you wish, but I don't see why you wouldn't. Please do not attack me just because this is what I believe, give an arguement against what I have said, not against me myself.

Too smart for "gods" on :

Your con-man/prophet could not even retranslate the "magic gold plates" the same way as the first time when tested to do so. How do you trust any of what someone cant even translate the same way twice? Once you change the details its nolonger translating your just making stuff up and it becomes obvious that you were doing so the whole time. If you still beleive joseph smith's teachings knowing that and you are just the kind of person snake oil and special underwear was made for!

Elder Matumbo on :

Thomas Monson Mormon profit direct quotation:
"I was not with joseph, but I believe him. My Faith did not come to me through science, and I will not permit so-called science to destroy it."

Nikky, there are "things in your religion" that you don't yet understand" because they are incomprehensible, fabricated rubbish. Stuff that that "so-called science" has proven wrong time and time again.

BTW the only thing your sweaty cult polyester jesus jamies are protecting you from, is smelling good.

Anonymous on :

Joseph Smith was an "uneducated farmer" who translated the book of Mormon, therefore Mormonism must be true. Mohammed was an illiterate man who wrote the Koran. Does that validate Islam? Bet you won't find many Mormons who think so. Same crap, different con artist.

Robbie on :

I’ve often wondered how Mormon magical knickerbockers cope with the stubborn-stained reality of skid-marks.

Nikky on :

To Elder Matumbo, yes. There are things that I do not yet understand, but that is only because I have not studied them out in my heart yet. I fully beleive in the Book of Mormon. I do believe that Islam and all religions have a grain of truth in them. We never ask or tell people to abandon what they believe, only that they consider and ponder in their hearts that they might know for themselves if Mormonism is true and add to their own beliefs through it.
Robbie, to answer your question about garments, if garments are stained or ruined some how then they must be thrown away. They are symbols of covenants that we make in the Temple and of purity. "No unclean thing may enter the kingdom of God."

Lostprophet on :

You dont understand them because you have not studied them out in your heart? Thats pretty funny, i dont know what the elders have been feeding you but your heart isnt for studying things out..... Your heart is dumb, its meant to pump blood and keep you alive not for any kind of thought! If you want to come up with the right answers try thinking for yourself instead of letting the church do it for you, also id suggest you use your brain for that thinking not your heart. Because if you use your heart you may believe things like there was a lost tribe of jews in early america and that jesus came here too...... But if you use your brain you realize those claims are stupid.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nikky, the only time I will pray is now:

Dear God, please tell us that Nikky is just playing with us when she says no unclean underwear may enter the kingdom of god. Please jesus, tell us that she does not seriously believe this, because if this is what mormons now believe, there is no hope. The next thing Nikky will tell us is that Obama will need a birth certificate (long form) to enter the lowest level of mormon heaven. God, please save us from the mormon cult that has warped sister Nikki's brain.

inthenameofjesuschrist amen.

Robbie on :

RAmen...

Nikky on :

Elder Matumbo,Please do not put words into my mouth. I would never say that about our president or anyone. I was not saying that unclean underwear couldn't enter heaven. I was speaking of men and women. Our garments are a representation of how we strive to stay pure, that is all I was saying.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nikky, it does take guts for a mormon to come to a website that alledges that mormons are fucking retarded, but if you review what you are defending, you will see how silly it is. Can you please tell me how the strange mormon underwear is a representaton of how to stay pure?
Why has the mormon underwear changed over the years? It used to go all the way to the wrists and the ankles, then up to just below the knee and short sleeves. Now they are above the knee and very short sleeves. Seems they are getting smaller and smaller. Does this mean mormons need less reminding to stay pure these days? You have to wonder why your church evolves with the times, you would think if god gave joseph smith rules in the 1800's they should still apply today and if they don't they were bullshit from the start.

Also, what I can't comprehend is your 'word of wisdom" your doctrine and covenants say no "hot drinks" what does this mean? I see mormons drinking hot coco, herbal tea, and cup a soup all of the time. It can't be because coffee and tea have caffine, because mormons suck back gallons and gallons of Diet Coke, Pepsi, Mountain Dew and Red Bull. Don' t you ever just stop and say WTF?

When a religion dictates what you eat and drink, what you should wear, (including the masonic underwear), how much you must give in offerings (10%) to get to heaven, tells you how and how not to have sex. (no oral sex, no masturbating, no porn, etc.), pressure you to get married at 18-19 and have lots of babies, and tell you who to worship (Jesus, Joseph Smith). All these things make up the exact definition of a cult.

I would also like to know why a true religion of God would dissallow full membership and participation to Black people for so long. Only when it became a civil rights issue and public pressure did kimball have a "revelation" that changed the rule. Only a racist cult would say that Native Americans would become "whte and delightsome" if they became mormons.

For your own well being, please consider what kind of organization you are defending.

Nikky on :

Elder Matumbo, I do consider my relgion every day, every moment of every day. It is a huge part of who I am. If you or anyone else were to tell me to just be myself without infulance from my religion I would not be able to do that. I have spent years and months searching for the truth of the LDS religion. I can say that I have truely found for myself that it is true.
Second I would like to ask that before you judge my religion and people please do not rely on ANYTHING you find on the internet or in books about Mormonism unless it has been written by a member of the first presidency of our church. There are way too many hate websites for every religion to take anything seriously unless it was written by the church. I have no idea if garments have been changed, I do know that if they were then there was a good reason for it. Third, as too the Word of Wisdom, the wording is strange, the Doctrine and Covenants are written in the same language as the Bible. Hot and strong drink refer to coffee, tea and alcohal. There are some who take that to mean caffinated sodas as well, but not all of us agree with that. Fourth, I have asked sometimes why i can't wear tank tops by themselves and why I can't listen to some music. As I grew however I relized that I could if I really wanted. I had a choice in everything that I did, but those choices have concequences. I now look at those covenants that I have made with God and relize that those rules are exactly what make me free. I will never wake up one morning with a hang over wondering what I did the night before, I wont get pregnant before marrage and I will never question who my father's children are. I am not saything that everyone struggles with that, but the truth is many people have. My sister is one of those people. The rules given to me and those of my religion feel freedom WHEN we follow the rules we are free from the devils snares. We all have a choice and agency. We wont be shunned or hated for making mistakes. We are human, we all make mistakes.
As to the question about the Black people. We never said they could not join us, at the time we could not give them the preisthood. If you read the Bible you will see that the preisthood has always been given to only a select group of people. Today is the first time that the preisthood has ever been open to any worthy male.If you have any more questions feel free to ask and please really think about my words before dismissing them. I am not trying to convert you, I just want the wrong ideas about my religion gone.

Lostprophet on :

Nikky, you say you found for yourself that LDS is true? Thats a bold faced lie unless youve died and come back to write about it you have 100% absolutely no idea what if any religion is true, they are designed that way! You can say you believe it to be true, but no, you did not FIND IT TO BE TRUE!

Elder Matumbo on :

Nikky
Just so you know, if you look at previous posts you will see I was a mormon for over 35 years and went on a mission in the deep south of the USA.
For the first 3 years of university, I studied religion at school and at seminary. I specifically studied mormonism because at the time I was a mormon living in the mormon bubble and I wanted information to defend my faith. I did NOT find that information, and once out of the bubble, I did find very much the opposite.

I already know the answers to all the questions I have asked you. I was just interested to see what you had to say. I have to tell you that much of your information is incorrect and the rest is without substance.
This is the problem with current mormonism. Most mormons do not really know what they believe or why they believe it. For most, it has become a lifestyle. You attested to this when you say that without your religion you would be nothing.
The mormon church is working hard on whitewashing the past and the history of mormonism. Most mormons are like you, they attempt to defend a faith that they really know nothing about. You had no substansial answers to my questions about the word of wisdom, or the history of black men getting the priesthood. I was asked many times about this on my mission, and neither I, nor my mission president could not find a legitimate answer. Just the typical bullshit answer that Gods ways are sometime beyond our understanding. Utter bullshit!

You say you have choice, and "agency". You are correct, you have choice, but if you choose against the rules of the church, you will be disfellowshipped or excommunicated. So this is really not a choice or free agency. Contray to what you claim, mormons ARE shunned and hated for making mistakes, and choosing to think for themselves. You say you "feel freedom when you follow the rules" what a goddam contridiction!

Your church claims to allow everyone "free agency" or the freedom of choice, but then they send millions of dollars to California in attempt to take away the freedom of choice of other human beings to choose who they marry and how they live. The arrogance, the hypocrisy!

You belong to a racist, bigoted, misogynistic, homophobic cult of lazy hypocrites to which there is no defence. I say lazy because mormons have become too lazy to think for themselves. They allow the church leaders to do the thinking for them.
If you pull your head out of tommy monsons ass long enough to have some thoughts of your own. You may find that you are really not retarded, but that mormonism has made you look and act that way.

Robbie on :

As with Elder Matumbo, I also wish to acknowledge the courage that Nikky has shown for coming onto this forum. I’d also like to add that I personally don’t just single out Mormon beliefs and actions for legitimate ridicule, but also those of many other cults including the most grandiose and elitist of them all – the Roman Catholic Church (led by a protector of child rapists). So please Nikky don’t feel as if this is a personal attack against your good character. After all we’re all entitled to our own delusions and are free to select the religious instiller of our choice (with the exception of children of course).

Nikky on :

Elder Matumbo,
I am really sorry to hear that you feel this way. I have to disagree with you. I do know that there are those who judge others for their choices. No one is perfect. For some reason people expect us to be perfect. I wish that I were perfect but I have made many mistakes. I know about disfellowshipment and excamunication becasue recently my own sister was first disfellowed then excamunicated because of her choices. The reasons for these actions is to protect the good name of the church. I can tell you that no, I do not have all of the answers, but I do know my religion fairly well. At the moment I am prepairing to go on a mission of my own.
I do know the history of my religion, there are things that we did that I am not proud of, but like I mentioned above, no one on this earth except Christ is perfect. How is feeling good when I follow the rules a contradiction exactly?
As for the fight against gay marriage, I love the gay people. Some of my best friends are gay, but at the same time I do not agree with their life style and I hate that we deny them marriage, but I will stand up for what God wants. Marriage is between a man and woman only, that does not mean that I do not love the gay people, because I do. Last of all I am not lazy, I work two jobs and am going to school for Phsycology. If anything I know how to work hard. I do not rely on church leaders to make choices for me or tell me everything. I listen to what they have to say then pray and ponder to know for myself if that is true.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nikky, I think one of the definitions of insanity is providing a mormon with volumes of evidence proving that the mormon church is a false religion with a false prophet, and then expecting them to consider any of it.

I have to say that I am happy for your sister, and I hope that she can get past the guilt imposed on her by the mormons, and realize that she is now far better off. Tell her to keep going and not look back. I wish I could have gone that route. I would like to suggest you reconsider your comment suggesting your sister tarnished the churches "good name". The "church" is doing a very good job of that themselves.

I did not call you lazy as far as work ethic goes.The comment was not personal. I called mormons lazy for not using critical thinking skills. Perhaps I should have more accuratey stated that mormons are weak minded in the Jonestown way.

You mentioned that you do not have all the answers to your religion and are preparing to go on a mission. I would suggest that you look for all answers before you go out and try to convert people to the mormon way. I am hoping that once you realize that there are no real answers to your questions, you may reconsider. However, I don't think that will happen, so I wish you well with the "best two years of your life"

I testify to you that joseph smith is rolling over in is grave because he is so pissed off that he was shot before he could cash in on his scam, and even more pissed that tommy monson is.

Nancy Collings on :

Every one of Christ's apostles were killed in a horrendous way. You are perhaps one of the most uninformed religious idiots I've heard. Try a little education.

Robbie on :

For some letting go of your religion is like letting go of a repeatedly cheating long term partner. Invoking that same tumultuous dynamic; intellectually you'll be way ahead of your emotions and the cognitive dissonance can pull you apart as reality clashes with old loyalties.
Without support, it can be an incredibly hard place to be. And that's why many prefer to live the lie than bite the bullet, believing that if you believe something hard enough... it will become true. There are other coping mechanisms, but that would take a few paragraphs...

Elder Matumbo on :

Nancy is so mad she pooped a little bit in her secret garments.
Nikky says you better destroy them because when you die st. peter will be checking, and if you have skidmarks on your jesus jammies its outer darkness for you!


I believe that God wants the New Jersy Devils to win the stanley cup. Go Devils!

Nikky on :

Wow.I am a phycology major, I don't think that would constitute as someone who is weak minded. I do think for myself, in fact there was a time when I really struggled with my religion, I didn't know if it was true or not and so I did things I was not proud of then really searched to know for myself which church, if any was true. I came back to the Church of Jesus Chrust of Latter-Day Saints. There is no way to scientificly prove the Book of Mormon to be true no, but if people would open their hearts and let the spirit speak to them then truth would be found wheather it be Mormonism or some other religion. I am not so stupid as to think that everyone will agree with me. Like I said before I mearly want to nip the lies and misconseptions about my religion at the bud. As for 'finding all the answers' Brother Matumbo, no one has all the answers. Scientists are always searching for more truth to many things, the same goes for religion. We are here to learn, what would be the point of being here if we already knew everything there was to know? I am progressing and while I don't have all the answers I know that I know what I need to know and that as I continue to grow and progess then I will understand more about the world around me and myself. No one can say they know everything about the world or themselves, but I can say this, I believe in everything that I have been taught by my church leaders. All that is left is to find the knowledge, but with that comes the loss of faith, faith is belief in things that are not seen which are true.

Robbie on :

"Faith is belief in things that are not seen which are true"
Then how do you know they’re true?
By which facility do you determine truth from bullshit?
Faith by these terms Nicky is wishful thinking or (to be less kind) delusional.
By the way, you majored in phycology? Wow I didn’t know such qualification existed… must be fascinating studying algae, am intrigued to know what attracted you to this field.

Elder Matumbo on :

Good one Robbie! Major in Phycology, minor in English, Must have been at BYU.
Phycology is the abilty to talk asparagus down off of a ledge.

Anonymous on :

Oh Nickky why can't you get it. In one breath you say you don't know all the answers to your religion. You said to me that there are many things you don't know or understand because you have not studied them in your heart. In the next breath you say you want to "nip the lies and misconceptions about your religion in the bud". If you dont know or understand the lies and misconceptions, how in the hell are you qualified to defend against them? The answer is that you are NOT! You are just regurgitating mormon sound bytes.
"I studied for myself and I know the church is troooooo". "Read the book of mormon and pray and you will know its trooooooo". Joseph smit is a trooooooooo profit of god.
You are right. no one has all the answers, but I do have this answer and it is that mormonism is bullshit. Joseph smits story is bullshit, and tommy monson is not a prophet! Tell me one thing he has prophesied?
waiting..........? waiting.......... NOTHING. What is the last thing a mormon profit has prophesied since bringem young? NOTHING. At least Brigam Young had the guts to make up some prophesies so he could claim to be a prophet. (Quakers on the moon etc.etc, There are volumes of his so called prophesies. All Hinkley could say is that "we dont know" or I'm not sure we believed that"

Hopefully you can get you pycology degree and heal thyself.

Nikky on :

Faith can be determined by a feeling in your heart. It may seem delusional, but I have felt it and I would like to believe I have great faith. Do you know how the universe came to be? Do you know how gravity works? If you do I would love to know the answers. Until then I am content with faith. As for the Physcology thing, that was a typo. Phsycology is what I ment to say. Anonymous, I don't quite understand what your purpose was in mispelling true and our prophets names. It is Joseph Smith, and Thomas S. Monson. Brigam Young and Joseph Smith were the only two prophets to record their prophesies in the Doctrine and Covanents before it was published, but that does not mean that we do not get prophesies and direction today. Every six months we have a General Conferance where the Prophet and Apostles speak to us all over the world through tv and radio brodcast and inbetween that time we have ward and Stake confrencess where our local leaders talk to us. We read their words every month and they do make prophesies, they are just not as well known because they are not published in the Doctrine and Covenants. For instance one prophet declaired that the prophecy of Elija that the hearts of the father would turn to the children and the hearts of the children would turn to their fathers, has been brought to pass and that 9/11 was the completion of another biblical prophacy. I can find the references for you if you would like.

Robbie on :

I'm honestly not a spelling Nazi as often slip up myself Nikky! And I know many intelligent people who can be quite dyslexic when it comes to grammar and writing structure. But it's 'psychology' dear.
[ And please note that phycology is actually the study of algae - I guessed that you may have slipped up (it was a bit strange) but didn't know.]
As a psychology major I guess you'd also know about psychosomatics and the recent studies/discoveries in neuroscience. When I was studying (both) I was just amazed at how bio-mechanical we all actually are, and indeed how easy it is to be fooled. Stop asking 'why' and begin looking at the 'how' (via psychology) and things just start making evidential sense! Well they did for me.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nikky
As usual, a Mormon cannot answer a question. You were asked about a current prophesy. Your only examples are about Eliga and the hearts of the children? Whatever the hell that means. And then you site some bibilical prophesy about 911? Is this really the best you can do? Is this really the most current prophesy you can quote? Nostradomas has more accurate prophesies that any mormon prophet. Your prophets on TV and radio are just typical televangilists demanding everyone to pay their tithing (full 10%) or risk the fires of hell.
You can pick up one of your church ensigns from 1975,1980,1990,2012 and it is all the same repetitive crap. There is nothing new! NO modern prophesies, no new information, just reworked stories of losing 5 dollars and praying and suddenly it is found in a pair of jeans.
Why would the great and almighty prophet tommy monson not prophesy about tsunamies, hurricanes and tornadoes that have killed thousands of people. Perhaps he could have saved some lives. No, the best this pompous prick can do is "say a little prayer" that the rain would go away so an outdoor dance performance could continue.

Nikky, if you goal was to come here and defend you faith, you have failed. You have simply given this site much more evidence to support that mormons are retarded clones with no substance.

Please do not reply to me saying "I am sorry you feel that way" blah blah blah.
Give us some concrete answers and examples or stop wasting our time.

John Edgar on :

@Robbie. Your arguments sound oh-so familiar, I don't suppose you've found inspiration in Hitchens?
It's hard to know what to add to a forum like this. Firstly, I'd like to agree with the initial statement, which in my experience I have found to be true.
Secondly I'd like to quote Nikky, "our garments are a representation of how we strive to stay pure", for two reasons; (one) because I think my grandparents would beg to differ and (two) I find that the possibility that shitting yourself come Armageddon, and thus reducing your chances of getting into heaven, friggin' hilarious!
Also, Mormons giving 'evidence' for Mormonism provide, conveniently, a case in point. Dumb-Arses!

As science and society advances, more and more contradictions with religion appear, and with those contradictions come delusions. Faith is exactly that, it is a belief strongly held despite evidence to the contrary.

Jesus in America. Hilarious. Did he invent the helicopter too? That would certainly explain how. But why?

Robbie on :

I'm honestly not a spelling Nazi as often slip up myself Nikky! And I know many intelligent people who can be quite dyslexic when it comes to grammar and writing structure. But it's 'psychology' dear.
[And please note that phycology is actually the study of algae - I guessed that you may have slipped up (it was a bit strange) but didn't know.]
As a psychology major I guess you'd also know about psychosomatics and the recent studies/discoveries in neuroscience. When I was studying (both) I was just amazed at how bio-mechanical we all actually are, and indeed how easy it is to be fooled. Stop asking 'why' and begin looking at the 'how' (via psychology) and things just start making evidential sense! Well they did for me.

Kay on :

There's no doubt in any sane person's mind that Mormonism - along with any other form of religion or superstition - is retarded. But the question asks "Are Mormons completely fucking retarded?"
In my personal experience with different identities in different Mormon families I could write pages, but before doing that we'd have to define 'retarded' and I'd have to go into unneeded detail as to how I've come to that/my (provisional) conclusion.
Sod that though and let me give my empirically observed judgment in a nutshell and say...
Yes.
Moreover, the Mormon families I've known have been far more dysfunctional (euphemism for 'fucked up') than any other select group - even doomsayers who secretly get off in the belief that they are of a select few to knowingly predict (and no doubt survive) the end of the world (see what I did there?)
Mormons who I've known have made disastrous parents; and any behind the scenes look into this clandestine elitist organisation would reveal this not to be unusual... but they stand tightly together in their pjs all ready for bed, smiling Donny Osmond smiles and ...
As Robbie's alluded to, there is psychological reasoning behind this which any interested party can pursue at their will. The internet after all is the place religions/death cults come to die and folks like Nikky can come to be edgyoomakated.
Goodnight John-boy...

Urmom on :

It is quite disheartening how judgmental the world can be. Is being Mormon really such a crime? I believe that if someone is to judge a religion or discuss and exchange opinions with one another, they should take the time to learn or even look into the religion that they are judging. Before I saw this page, I thought that adults were people that us children can look up to, but I guess not. On this page, I observed what little respect you people have for one another. It is evident that none of you learned any true facts about the Mormon faith before you commented. Mormonism is just like any faith. Except Mormon members don't come to these websites and put down other religions. We respect all beliefs.

Robbie on :

Mormons respect "all beliefs"? Really?
"Facts" about "Mormon faith"?
"Evident" that "none of you" have "learned any true facts"?
Mormonism is "just another faith"?
Is it really all so black and white to you?
Can't you see the logical fallacies that you're making?
And by your judgement, what qualifications does one need to be permitted to criticize a belief system - especially one as off with the little green men as yours?
PLEASE don't say that you have to become one so as to be critical! Because straight away I'll point to the thousands of apostates who've escaped the clutches.
As an atheist, I try not to judge a person (irrespective of their belief system) by their beliefs but by their deeds. Although, would you vote for someone who solidly believed in fairies and [insert long list of all your other ridiculous beliefs]?

Nikky on :

Elder Matumbo, I am shocked that as someone who used to be a Elder in the Church you don't know Elija's prophocy about the hearts of the Children. As for the rest, yes there are repeats during conferance but if you look in the bible then there are repeats of doctrine everywhere. Is that not what cross referencing is for? For example, the story of Christ was written four times in Mattiew, Mark, Luke and John. Second, I am sorrry that I have not had the time to look up any modern prophecys lately, I have been very busy. I will do some reasearch and post what I find here. President Monson has talked of the power of prayer, it has personally given me greath strenth.Kay, I wish I knew the families you speak of. Yes there will be disfunctional mormon families. I have said it already and I will say it again, WE ARE NOT PERFECT. Just like every man has weaknesses and problems so do we. We make mistakes and try our best to make up for them just like everyone else. Compaired to many of my nonmember friends families(who by the way respect who I am and what I stand for and have told me on numerous octaions how they wished they had had my parents) my family was like a safe haven to them because of how we strived to follow the gospel teachings. However compaired to many chuch families we know our family is kind of a wreck at the moment, The point is though that we are working to fix that and move forward. Christ is helping us to overcome our problems and weaknesses, but it will take a life time and even then we wont be perfect. That is what grace is for. Urmom, thank you! That made my day and you summerised some of what I have been trying to say the entire time quite nicely. Robbie, I never said I was judging you or your beleifs. I am meerly trying to clear up misconseptions about my own beliefs. As I have said several times already we are not a perfect people, there are those who do criticize others for their beleifs, but most of us try very hard not too. I would like to know where you are getting your information about the apostles Robbie, not everything is a good sorce of information. Second, there is no good time to critisize any beleif. We all have rights to believe how we wish, forums like this sadden me no matter if they are about Mormonism, Islam, the Catholic Church or the Church of the Flying Monkeys. It shouldn't matter! It's something about the world today that I cannot understand. Why do we have to be so intolerant about others beliefs? For instance saying prayers in school, you don't have to say one yourself so why does it matter if someone else does? I personaly love all religion and honestly love researching all religions, it doesn't insult me that others beleive differently than I do. Robbie I respect the fact that you are athiest and that is how you choose to believe. I respect the fact that you try not to judge people by their deeds and not by their beliefs. To answer your question, to me it doesn't matter what their specific beliefs are as long as they have a good platform and I think they will do their best to take care of this country. Last of all I would like to point out how Christ himself was persiquted by his own people and later even killed by them. The devil is working very hard on the hearts of men if we truely have become this intlerant of the people around us.

Lostprophet on :

Dear mormons, if jesus did come to america can somebody explain to me why until the white man came to america, there were not any christian god fearing native americans? Not a bible in sight, not a single big white church? We taught that shit to them, it wasnt already here so did jesus come here and wander in the woods before he went where ever hes supposed to have gone? No, didnt happen...... Use your brain for logic instead of reading for just like an hour a day and among other things youll realize no teaching of the jesus was here until boats brought it with them. For the record i think he was a real person that lived just like us, no special powers and his mom didnt want to own up to where he came from, and after he died thats it..... I doubt myself he went anywhere.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nikky
Wow, you are shocked! are you? I am sorry to hear that you feel that way. (sarcasm intended)
If there were any modern prophsies, I am pretty sure all the mormons would have the references to them on the tips of their tongues and be able to spout them off instantly. You take your time and go do some extensive research and get back to us with some CURRENT examples of MODERN prophesy and revelation. We will wait... but we won't hold our breath.
I know the bullshit about eliga, but I specifically asked you about MODERN prophesy. One of the mormons big claim to being the "true and living church" is MODERN prophesy, yet you can only quote some lame story from the original con man himself circa 1830s, that is just as fabricated as the book of moron itself.
Give us something new, a prophesy from recent history. You have to know thomass ass monson is not prepared to stick his neck out with a prophesy of any kind because he knows it is a fraud. He knows he dosen't "walk and talk with god", and if he makes a prophesy he knows he will be proven wrong.
Doubletalk all you want, I want an example of modern prophesy.

PS don't you dare try to claim that when kimball allowed black men to participate in the priesthood it was revelation. It was not. It was sociopolitical decision based on pressure of the time and nothing more.

No need to reply until you have a solid example. I will miss you. On second thought...

William on :

Yeah one thing that I believe was stated correctly in this rant was that the Book of Mormon was dictated to various scribes from behind a curtain in the space of about 3 mos. The average person would expect then that this book to be about the most poorly written of religious trickery ever written. The thing is however that it is the most amazing religious historical record I have ever read. Including the Bible. I am totally blown away by this book! There are a number of reasons I can not believe that this book is a fake. To accept that it is a fake would raise many more questions in my mind about how it has come into existence.

So yeah I mean one would think the writer of this rant is correct.... that is ...until that one reads the Book of Mormon.

Robbie on :

"Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb...."

Lostprophet on :

Dear Will, lets hear an answer to my question 2 or so posts up from here about jesus in america.?.?.?.

Elder Matumbo on :

Lostpro, even if we got a semi intellegent mormon to respond, they still could not answer the questions you or I or anyone else here has posed. You notice that once you pin a mormon down to specifics, they retreat back into the bubble and stop responding.

Mormon grl and proud of it on :

DonT YOU DARE SAY THOSE MEAN TERRIBLE THINGS ABOUT MY RELIGION. WE HAVE A WONDERFUL RELIGION AND THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION ON THIS EARTH. IF I WERE YOU I WOULD CHOOSE BETTER WORDS BEFORE I HAUNT YOU IN YOUR NIGHTMARES. I AM 12 YEARS OLD ANDNI HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUE CHURCH OF GOD HAN YOU DO.I HOPE YOU HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART AND WORD CHOICE BEFORE YOU DESCRIBE MY CHURCH EVER AGAIN!!!!

Robbie on :

OMG!
Tithe me sideways with a Vaseline coated seer stone!
I've just had an epiphany!
QUICK, where do I check my brain in before my senses return? :-)

MICHAEL on :

PRAYERS; GOD, YOU KNOW THAT MY SERVICE HAS BEEN VERY GOOD AND EXCELLENT WITH YOU. I ASK YOU TO HELP THE MORMONS REPENT OF THEIR EVIL DEEDS AND FOR STEALING MY PERSONAL IDENTITY, AND I ASK YOU TO BLESS THEM AND REBUKE THEM IF IT IS POSSIBLE. I ASK YOU FATHER, THAT YOU SENT JESUS CHRIST TO DIE FOR THEM AND IF THIS CHURCH IS TRUE, THEN REBUKE THEM ACCORDING TO YOUR JUSTICE. FATHER YOU ARE MY WITNESS, THEY HAVE STOLEN MY TITHING MONEY. YOU ARE MY WITNESS THAT I AM NOT WORTHY TO BE IN YOUR CHURCH BECAUSE I AM HARD OF HEARING AND HISPANIC. I AM SORRY FOR THIS UNWORTHY AND WORTHLESS CREATURE WHOM YOU HAS SENT HERE ON EARTH, THAT YOUR CREATURE WHO IS MADE THE LOWEST AND THE LEAST OF ALL, AND I KNOW THAT I AM THE LEAST OF ALL THE PEOPLE AND OF ALL THE KINGDOMS OF EARTH AND HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SERVANT AND HEAR MY CRY AND LOOK UNTO ME AND HAVE MERCY ON ME FOR THEY MOCK AT ME AND THEY HAVE NO HEART AND HAVE MERCY ON ME AND REMEMBER ALL OF THE DAYS OF MY LIFE FOR I HAVE KEPT YOUR COMMANDMENTS AND YOU ARE WITNESS AND THEY HAVE BROKEN MY HEART AND BETRAYED ME AND I ASK YOU TO VISIT THEM AND LET THEM SEE THAT YOU ARE WITH ME AND REBUKE THEM WITH MEASURE AND LET THEM KNOW THEY HAVE DONE GREAT WICKEDNESS AND LET THEM KNOW THEY ARE HURTING THE HOLY GHOST AND TRAMPLING HIM AND I ASK YOU TO HELP ME AND SAVE ME FROM MY ENEMIES, WHO ARE MORMONS AND PROTECT ME FROM THESE ENEMIES, AND I ASK YOU TO GIVE COMFORT AND CONSOLATIONS OF THESE GREAT PEOPLE WHO ARE GREATER THAN ME AND YOU KNOW THAT I AM THE LEAST OF ALL, WHO IS WORTHLESS TO STAND HERE ON EARTH, WHO IS THE DESPISED AND THE HATED AND IGNORED AND WHO HAS NOT PART OF THIS WORLD AND I ASK YOU TO HELP ME AND GUIDE ME AND SEPARATE ME FROM THIS WICKED GENERATION OF VIPER AND SERPENTS, AND I ASK YOU TO REBUKE THEM BY THE POWER OF THE ARCHANGEL MICHAEL, MY FRIEND AND LET HIM COME AND VISIT THEM AND SURROUND THEM AND REBUKE THEM AND PUNISH THEM AND I ASK YOU IN THE NAME OF THE SON, JESUS CHRIST,AMEN.

Elder Matumbo on :

It has long been my contention that mormon children are brainwashed from birth. I am often wrong, but perhaps not this time.

Robbie on :

Hey Elder Matumbo, here’s my take!
Superstitious/religious/irrational thinking alongside rational thinking is perpetuated through many factors, none less than the evolutionary construct of a child following the guidance of his principle role model/s. We’re hardwired from a very early age to abide by a source that we unquestionably respect, trust, are bonded, can learn from, share love, feel safe with and feel loyalty toward. The constant interaction between parent and child obviously enforces this. A baby’s brain is only one quarter developed when born, and the first three years are essential, thereafter they’re sponges to learning via stimuli, and of course this continues through childhood. Later there are our teachers, our peer group, our social setting and perhaps regular reinforcement every Sunday. It can become a monster paradigm that becomes too intellectually and emotionally demanding to shift when reality refuses to ‘go away’ and cognitive dissonance takes hold... and quite often mental illness.
“I want to believe, I want to believe, I want to believe”… but the laws of thermodynamics continue to have last say...
Etc
;-)

Elder Matumbo on :

Robbie, you make an excellent point. I have always struggled with understanding the cognitive dissonance with intellegent and educated mormons. Your statement that it becomes too intellectually and emotionally demanding to shift is spot on though. I can empathazie with those who are stuck, but as you say if they would give in to thermodynamics, they could avoid the mental illness and the prescription drug abuse that is so rampant in the mormon community

Robbie on :

Ha, and that's just the crux isn't it?
To borrow a quote..
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Obviously this isn't solely confined to the quagmire and absurdity of theocratic teachings. I knew a person (a close friend) who despite their horrendous abuse as a child stayed loyal to their (offending) parent right through to the end, which for them came sadly came too early (alcoholism). They knew damn well how evil that parent was, but the bond - although detrimental and life damaging - could never be broken.
I still get tearful.
It's a human tragedy but sadly part of our condition.
And yes, I know of at least one drug addicted Mormon, and several others who're clearly mentally ill, one dangerously. And some have the audacity to state that one can't be critical unless one succumbs to the love bombing, the white teeth and join rank.
Cheers bro.

Don on :

The problem with this post is you haven't done enough research to understand that all the religions are equally as ridiculous as the Mormons. None of it makes a shred of sense, none of it has a shred of proof, and the people that believe it are gullible wish-thinkers. Jesus was a lunatic, Moses a raving murderer, Mohammad a pedophile, and Joseph Smith finished serving a prison sentence 18 months before he started writing the Mormon Bibble, for fraud, after pleading guilty....

I can imagine Joseph Smith sitting around counting his money thinking about how idiotic people are, and how easy it was empty their pockets and debauch their wives. Kind of funny that he died to a bullet in the face from that very act.

The world would be a better place without all this crap.

Anonymous on :

I thought some people I know where stupid untill Joseph Smith worshipers came around!
Besides racism and bigotry vicious Mormons would dress up as Indians raid passing wagon trains, kill, rape, and pillage, then blame the Indians and go kill rape and pillage them.
Joseph Smith has nothing to say about what was important to the Native Peoples and tries to hijack their history and religion.
A RELIGION OF SATAN their just too stupid to know - all hail Joseph Smith!!

Louis on :

Plural marriage is completely wrong. I feel Mormons should be banned from every where. Mormans are fucking retarded and I hope every single one of them dies.

Elizabeth on :

Wow really hating on Mormons? First off saying we should all die is terrible, do you think God likes hearing that? I suggest you read the Book of Mormon, go to LDS church, talk to our Missionaries, do this for 3 weeks, I'd bet you $200 your life will be changed. We DO NOT HATE GAYS!!!! We have Gays in the church genius!!!! How about you all shush your mouths? Don't speak in what you DON'T KNOW!! It isn't just Mormons who believe that gays are right. It should be man and women. Before ya'll wanna talk about mulitple wives, remember that is no lOnger apart of the church and if you put caught doing it you are no longer a member of the LDS church. You all need to stop listening to the bad things that NON-MORMONS say and listen to what true members say. We had a choice to vote yes or no. We didn't have to follow. At the end of the day we are ALL God's children. MORMONS ROCK!!!!

Bob on :

Hey Lizzie - I've spent (literally) three months plus talking with Masonaries and by Joseph my life was indeed changed. From seeing Mormons as just being a "bunch of harmless puppy loving whiter than white toothed loonies on a par with Scientologist for bat-shit craziness" I now view the whole organisation for what it is - sanctimonious, elitist, bigoted, clandestine and fundamentally *RETARDED*.
Yes of course there are decent people trapped within this schema... but what does that prove?
Where can I claim my $200 Elizabeth? I'm a bit short at the moment due to a dedicated Mormon swindling me out of $1000 plus much, much more... (No lie)

Wilson on :

I find it odd so many people have nothing better to do than to discuss the mormons. That right there says volumes. One thing that seems to be forgotten is that all the crazy and odd beliefs the mormons have is due to their claim of modern revelation. The truth, if any, of this revelation can be verified by personal revelation. If you don't want answers, continue to fail asking. But I wonder if any of you really
want answers. What if God tells you that your opinion is wrong? Think you could handle it? Probably not. So, by all means, continue your rant. It really means so very little.

Bob on :

Spoken like a true Moron Wilson. god talk to you often does he?

Lostprophet on :

You can ask your god (or any of the vast number of other gods people have come up with) questions all day long and i promise you none have them have answered your question now will they ever. Any answered questions are the result of the fact that given time the answer to nearly any question will present itself. But if you feel like asking gods questions you should ask the mormon one this for me........ If Jesus came to america, why wasnt there even a hint of christianity before white people like myself brought it here on boats? If the Jesus came here the indians would for sure have records, something that out of place would for sure prompt cave painting or the like! And if their are lies that big in your holy book then not a shred of it is worth the tree pulp its printed on.

Robbie on :

One thing I've noted over time is whilst theotards are obsessed with 'the answer' (and often seem quite content to sit at first base with theirs) - the more scientifically minded tend to be far more involved in the question and as a consequence are far far quicker to admit they're wrong when proven wrong.
How often as a child did you hear "Jesus/God is the answer"? I mean, that is just plain retarded.
My regards to Chuck Noland, Wilson - he couldn't have chosen a better imaginary friend :-)

Elder Matumbo on :

Elizabeth, your post is an irrational pile of stupid, but since hockey is done, I'll bite.
You say you have so many gays in your church, so here is a simple question for your simple mind. Name one? Please, name one gay mormon for us.

Wilson, you wonder if we really want answers to our questions? Yes we do! Mormons (you) keep making the claim of modern revelation, but none of you can ever give an example. Please just give us just one example of modern revelation in the last 30 years?

Two very simple questions for two mormon rockstars.

voice of neutrality on :

Firstoff, let me clarify my stance. I'm not mormon. I'm a pretty weak christian. I'm only here to watch, point out stupidity, and to answer questions.

Elder matumbo, I found a website dedicated to gay and lesbian mormons. Is that sufficient evidence? Www.affirmation.org

Elizabeth, I talked to your missionaries a while back. They really just kept me going in circles, eventually coming to the conclusion that mormonism was an act of faith. To trust a book written by some guy hidden where noone could see him translate said book from sacred gold plates in a foreign language with mmagical rocks.

Elder Matumbo on :

I wrote a detailed response to this but I lost it and am too tired to rewrite it so here is the short version.
The question was for rockstar mormon elizabeth who makes statements but cannot support them.
There may be mormons who are gay, but they are not openly accepted by the church.
The church says "homosexuality is an abomination" "marriage other than between a man and a women is against the laws of god"
Mormon apostles make it clear that homosexualty is NOT allowed.
According to the bishops handbook of instructions (mormon law) a mormon who confesses to engaging in homosexual activity is subject to a disiplinary council and risks excommunication.

There are many websites as in your example, but none of these sites are supported or approved by the mormon church. If you check with the actual Mormon Church sites, you will find the facts. Just google "mormon handbook of instructions", or batshit (you will get the same result)

So, there may be many mormons who are gay, but once they "come out" they are kicked out.

With respect, please do not attempt to defend what you know very little about. Leave that to the mormon scholars like lizzy and wilson.

Some dude on :

No mormon has ever been excommunicated. Take Romney for example; he should be according to church rules. He supported pro-choice (abortion/human murder), he supported homosexual rights (a forbidden abomination), and he created mandated forced insurance (violation of free will and undermined spiritual healing). However, he is worth about $250,000,000 and donated to the church so he is approved by the church. So you can buy your church approval in the mormon faith alright. Once you are a member you can pretty much do what you want, again... No mormon has been excommunicated. But to enter the church you must be baptized, and the rules are unbelievably strict. Once baptized though you can go right back to being a bastard. So, there is one major hypocrisy with the mormon church. Another is it is based entirely upon free masonry... Most members do not know this as they are keep uneducated on the subject. But go to the main temple (salt lake) and find all the masonic symbols you care to look at. Look up the word mormon sometime... It derives it's meaning from a god, just not not the Christian one. Anyway, any careful investigation into what mormonism is will easily reveal that it is a complete corruption of Christianity. The mormon church does not hold authority from god...as much as they like to believe they do. It holds authority, but not from god. Again, unfortunately, most members are totally unaware of the facts. They tend to be very nice people, but, extremely uninformed. And few people can bring themselves to admit when they have been conned, regardless of what the con is.

TK (Admin) on :

http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2011/07/04/lds-excommunication-of-lyndon-lamborn-revisited/

Bob on :

I was told reliably (by a Mormon) the story of how one Missionary hit upon his partner during their stint abroad. The partner reacted by punching his head in. What resulted was one of the two being sent home. The other was reappointed another partner and spanked across the knuckles with a wet feather for his transgression. You can guess which one was sent home.
Now whether he was then subsequently excommunicated for being homosexual, I do not know... and what does it really matter?
If it wasn't for the secretive and defensive nature of this cult, more stories like this would come to the fore. I know of many others, but it would be best if they were made public by first hand.

Elder Matumbo on :

http://blogs.evtrib.com/spirituallife/2011/07/04/lds-excommunication-of-lyndon-lamborn-revisited/

And there you have it. I have not heard this story before. I hope that the Lyndon Lamborn story is revisited and revisited and revisited.

Excellent find TK!

trollo on :

Imma lol if Romney becomes president. That truly means that USA is run by a racist retard.

The Church of The Fonz on :

For all those that are interested, I'm from The Church of The Fonz. Fonzie came to me in a dream telling me where he had buried a gold jacket centuries ago when he traveled back in time to escape from the evil lord Godzilla. This gold jacket happened to be inside the trunk of a rusty 77 Trans Am in a forgotten junkyard. This golden jacket had lots of inscriptions in which told the story of our beginning and the story of our end. I went to dig up the jacket but I couldn't understand the language at first because it was written backwards (sort of like Leonardo Da Vinci wrote, also it was some form of alien language I assume, like Chinese or something). Anyway, my buddies and I found a magical talking dog who helped us decipher the inscriptions in the golden jacket which only me and The Fonz could see. Fonzie took back his golden jacket after I finished translating the inscriptions in his jacket. Then one night, one of my buddies got drunk and lost the translations. I was pissed but I re-wrote the translations from memory. They weren't exactly the same but they worked.

To be continued...

I got bored... Mormons are retarded ... I figure religion is like an assortment of grasses and wild weeds and people are the cows that graze upon these vast grasslands and Mormonism... well... it is not a grass at all but rather just the shit that comes out of cows that eat the grass...

Robbie on :

Hahaha!
The Church of the Fonz sounds right up my street! And it's all got to be true, I mean why would you make something as incredibly improbable as that up? I mean, what would be in for you?
Cow-shit eating grass... I'm mesmerized, or should I say Fonzorised... count me in, hey want 10% of my income? No worries mate... no need to posthumously baptize me either, give me a white bed sheet and I'll strip down stark bollock naked just for you...
Oooo, I'm getting excited (had you noticed?) hallelujah or should I be saying... Heyyyyyyyy?

Billy George Michael on :

heh, yeah I googled fuck mormons and this is the site that I got :-)

I was raised catholic in wait for it.... Salt lake shitty, Utah FUCK SOME MOR(m)ONS!!! They act like they are way better than anyone just cause they don't smoke cigarettes or drink beer or even caffine, and they believe some fucked up shit that some dude came up with.

And for the guy that posted the third comment down, way to go proving your point with something you stole from family guy, Asshole... Anyways if that fucking Mormon gets elected, I'm moving to fucking canada, eh! Boycott this whole country for about four years, or as long as it takes for him to be Impeached, cause think about it, when you get all that power and you can't even drink a fucking coca-cola, You'd be bound to have a nervous breakdown and start banging Monica Lewinski's sister.

FUCK YOU MORMONS I HATE YOU ALL AND HOPE YOU DIE OF AIDS!!!!

alexxx123 on :

In our galaxy ALONE there are about 200-400 billion stars. Let us say that your wonderful "God" (whatever fucking religion you are as long as you believe that your god has created all that crap it doesnt matter) really did create all those starts. Our star (the sun) is one of those billions of stars. It has the planet Earth by it which holds life. Clearly, you would be quite stupid to think that there are no other life forms out there in the galaxy. So let us presume for a moment that there are other life forms out there. So do you honestly think that your god would give a personal shit about what happens to you? Your own personal prayers and desires? About your fears and your passions? You must be stupid to think that. Take a moment and think about it. If there really is some sort of big powerful being out there in the universe i honestly doubt he would give a shit about each one of us personally or make himself and his motives so clear (bible, quran etc.) OR give people so called "visions" of himself.

The Church of The Fonz on :

@Bill George Michael...

Of course my initial post was borrowed from Family Guy. I was simply making a point as to how just about any asshole like you can make up a religion on the spot. Hope mormons rape you in your sleep you retard. Now repent and join The Church of The Fonz.

Heeeyyyyy!!!

Anonymous on :

its kinda funny when atheists get mad. Makes you guys seem kinda desperate to be right, like a fat pale guy who cant get off the computer. lol

Robbie on :

Not as "kinda funny" as believing that one has the ability to telepathically communicate with a two thousand and twelve year old zombie Jew and convince them to break all the laws of physics, chemistry and biology in order to fix an old lady’s weak bladder.

Elder Matumbo on :

What an excellent day for an exorcism.

Sinner on :

I googled "why can't Mormons see their religion is fake," and got this page. Awesome. So, my comment is everyone is entitled to their own opinion and can practice the religion of their choosing. In my un-solicited opinion, the Mormon religion is ridiculous. Most Mormons don't even know they're polytheistic, there for they are not Christian. They believe the word of a false prophet, they have odd practices and really think they're better than everyone else on Earth. I have met 2 different people who left the Mormon church and said, "they brainwash you." I don't think any religion is better than another, I don't think there is a "right" religion but I know that Mormons and the LDS church are fuckin' wrong.

Title of liberty on :

Early on I took a general interest in a lot of the anti mormon material that has been posted throughout the internet. I have been a member of the LDS church for over 20 years and love my religion to the very core of my being. I came to this forum simply because i was very interested in what negative beliefs could possibly be conjured in association with a religion that preaches only love, acceptance and peace towards all. In all my research there are two types of anti mormons out there. This would be the hard hearted individual who just cant leave the church alone for whatever reason, these individuals are generally threatened by the church and there natural reaction being to criticize it. The other claiming to be the intellectual subjective athiest and harbors feelings of hatred for all organized religion and trust in their logic. I am here to say that in all religion there exists the unexplainable. That is where the belief of faith must be implemented. In all honesty i am a very disobediant member of the church. I have taken part in just about everything the church has told me to stay away from. I can testify that without a shadow of doubt in my mind i have been happiest when i have followed the teachings of the gospel. The church and its principals are perfect even if made unpopular by popular culture and belief, the people practicing them however are far from it. I am truly sorry for anyone who has felt unjustly treated by a member of the church, we try our best, or at least we should. Our doctrine is so specific however that if a member were to be seen say smoking a cigarette, that there are many who will judge our entire religion based on the actions of one. I am also here to tell all of you skeptics, there is far more to this life than what you can simply see. Becoming a member of the church is the most personal experience a human being can have. Truly before you knock us, if happiness is something you truly desire in your life, give it a shot. How does one know he or she is in love with someone? Is it not a feeling in your heart? I attest the holy ghost works in a similiar way. That is how a righteous, faithful, and obediant lds member will know what is true and what is false. Clearly many of you have lost your faith or have never had it to begin with. I challenge each and everyone of you to find out for yourself.

cakeatmidnight on :

There is not one single thing written in the BoM that can be proven historically or scientifically; therefore, I challenge you to find the truth out for yourself. If you want to be happy, be happy, it is your own choice to make every day. Don't fall for giving 10% of your income to earn your way to the highest level. If you were a good Mormon, you would never end up on this site.

Lostpropht on :

Dear Liberty, thats a clever name but i hope you realize that religion and liberty dont really get along...... As a mormon im sure you are aware of all the things that the church says you cant do and if you pay attention to that, well you are giving up some if not alot of liberty!  On top of that there is a 3rd kind of anti mormon out there, but its not just anti mormon, its anti any religion that has changed to adapt to new society (because any true religion would stand the test of time due to god knowing everything) or any religion that has core parts that modern science can 100% disprove (how can you trust anything that includes obvious lies, real religion would include nothing but the truth)! Well mormons are dumb as hell for buying into anything that has changed so much....... What, no more forced marriages, no more child brides, no more multiple wives and now we have to treat black people right?  All that coupled with Moronism wants us to think that Jesus came here to visit america and show his teachings to the native people, an isrealite tribe that had just move here?  Not only is that 100% eroneous per any kind of modern day DNA testing, I dare you to walk up to your average native american man and try to explain how hes from anywhere near where you say he came from.  There is a chance he will just disregard what you say but probably your going to get knocked on your ass!  Also if jesus had been here where is sitting bull's lds chuch located, no cave paintings of this magical bearded white man-god (rememberthey though things such as buffalo were worth painting), why didnt the indians have bibles, and why did the not know anything about "Jesus" until white man brought lies from a far away land via boats? And why apon dna testing anyone of 100% native background do you find they are not even the same classification of humans as people from where you claim they are from? You say you will know the truth, prophecy fulfilled...... I just gave you the truth! 

go fuck yourself you mormon douche bag on :

first you mormons cant leave anybody to their beliefs you send your faggets in suits and name tags to go fuck with everybody. second you think god gives a fuck if you drink caffine smoke or alcohol third you have you child molester boyscouts third i know over 50 mormons i can tolorate 2 the rest get asshurt at the first thing you do against their gay retarded fuckstick religon

Elder Matumbo on :

Liberty
I am sure that father monson and all the mormon mouthbreathers will be so proud of you for defending all those negative beliefs out there on the internet. I hope you have the opportunity to share your testimony next sunday and tell all the brothers and sisters how you made such a powerful post using the power of the holy ghost. OOOH I have shivers going up and down my spine.

If you belive there are only two types of antimormons you need to remove your head out of joseph smits ass and venture a little bit further out of your bubble to discover there are quite a few more. As far as your church being perfect? a perfect example of a cult maybe.

In the name of Jesus Christ, I attest to you that Joseph smit is a fraud, and mormonism is a dangerous goosestepping cult of lemmings.

P.S.
The holy ghost is watching when you touch yourself that way.

Stalked by the Holy Ghost (Robbie) on :

Lostprophet and Elder Matumbo, I tip my hat to you...
And as for the oxy-moron-ically named "Title of Liberty" you said this:
"How does one know he or she is in love with someone? Is it not a feeling in your heart? I attest the holy ghost works in a similar way"
I suggest you perhaps explore a little more as to the processes that generate our huge raft of mammalian (and often transient) 'feelings'. The more one begins to understand how they originate, the less mysterious they become.
Non believers in fairies (such as The Angel Moroni for instance) ask for evidence; for the true feelings of wonder and awe come in discovering what is factual about our world... not bogus.
Oh and tell your Holy Spirit the next time you and him have a chat - 'love is as love does' i.e. it's a 'doing' word - for love without evidence is stalking.

Elder Matumbo on :

Robbie, you would think that one thing the mormon milk making breeders should be able to understand is 'mammalian feelings". However, they just don't seem to be able make the connection. Maybe in 1000 years utah will join the 20th century and the word will spread.

Mormons Give Me A Bad Vibe! Hope You All Die!!! on :

About 10 years ago, or so, 2 guys in black slacks, white dress shirts and black ties came to my apartment. I was about 15 at the time. My mom let them in, and they began to talk about something (I forget about what) but they made me feel uncomfortable right from the start. The were both blonde but they spoke spanish (being that I am Mexican). After a minute or 2, being so uncomfortable I just got up and left.

Now, I haven't minded people coming over trying to influence... or better yet... change my thought on religious views and what not because I've had similar experiences before but never felt uncomfortable until those 2 guys came around.

After I left, I went to my friends house near by and asked him if I could stay for a while because some 2 dudes gave me a bad vibe which made me leave my own apartment instead of asking them to leave. You can laugh all you want but I felt like (D)evil(S) had entered my house and the only way to rid of it was leaving. I told that to my friend and he laughed because he had met them before as well... referring to them as "Los Mormones Pendejos" literally meaning Those Fucking Mormons. I didn't know they were mormons at first, until my friend told me. Even then after I knew they were mormons, I didn't quite understand what exactly they were or what they were trying to preach, so I never gave it much thought after that. 10 years later, I just think it's funny in some way.

Dwd on :

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life... He came that we may have everlasting life. To throw that gift in His face that He gave freely because He loves us makes me sad... God's mercy is infinite, but so is His justice... Sin must be paid for. Jesus paid that price on that cross.,.. Yes, it's our choice. That's the beauty of it. I don't understand why anyone would say no to the FREEDOM Jesus offers with Him. But, the key in that freedom includes Him. Alone and apart from Him is what hell is. In this world of light and dark, I can't imagine living forever with all dark... The offer is given, I pray for your sake that you choose Christ. But, it's only you that can decide. ssp8

Anonymous on :

Its all about Faith,,religion is where you put a foundation,,you dont have to belong to any of it,,Just believe in what faith you have.

Robbie on :

Faith is blind and so much easier than thinking - it's flown innocents into skyscrapers you know.
And as for prayer, again so much easier than actually doing something - a bit like Brian's Escape Committee in Monty Python's 'The Life of Brian'. When times get tough let's stick our heads into the sand.
And Dwd, if you believe that the doctrine of Vicarious Redemption by human sacrifice is a basis for morality then you my friend are as deluded as your pious fellow loons. I bid you and your Celestial Dictator every happiness in the after-life, just please keep the noise down as some of us wish to live our lives for today and with both feet within the basis of reality. So keep your proselytising black and white-ism to your self and go find a nice effigy to talk to.

Joey's ghost on :

A few corrections: Joey wasn't shot in the face, he was shot in the back while jumping out of the jailhouse windows after shooting 3 members of a vigilante mob.

He did not translate the alleged golden plates behind a curtain. He had his face stuck in a hat and magically the words appeared using magic rocks (Urim and Thummim). The elusive golden plates were not in the room most times according to witnesses. It would have been difficult for them to be in the room as they didn't exist.

Joey was one of the greatest con men of all time. LDS HQ in Salt Lake City does tend to exaggerate their membership as people are duped into joining the cult and then the ones with IQs slight higher than their shoe size bail when they are fed some of the more ridiculous doctrine of the cult.

Random Gal on :

Im Mormon. U can't say things like this. What if I said that ur religion is retarded? How would that feel? You can't start calling religions retarded for no reason. Even thought what u said on the above its terrible. So stop calling peeps retarded. Freak.

Austin on :

You have no idea what you are talking about. clearly you have never felt the spirit before.

Phony Moroni on :

@Austin, are you sure it wasn't wind?
As cults go, Moronism is evidentially one of the most cultish. And by definition subscribing to a cult/religion is a surrender of faculty and subscription to the notion of wishful thinking. In an age that has provided greater understanding of ourselves and the universe, to turn blind eye and return to primal philosophy is lazy, an evasion of personal responsibility and quite clearly fucking retarded.

nu_11 on :

As a born again Christian myself, I have found little to no reason to believe from all of my experience by the Holy Spirit, of angels or archangels, or the Word of God that the Mormon religion is anything but false doctrine. I won't say to what degree (that it would matter), merely that it seems to be more than a spelling mistake on one of their pamphlets. I will say this however..

“And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matt. 25:37–40.)

To the rest..I say what I say not dependant on convincing, but that it has been said here, if it was not before.

Have a good weekend people..if you can get past the potential vitriol of the subject..like any good topic.

Robbie on :

'"Oh, Miss Whiskers, your fur is so wet," said Noddy. He got a towel to dry her. Everyone crowded round, talking and cheering. Hurrah! The brave little car had saved everyone It stood there, dripping wet, saying "Parp-parp!" whenever anyone patted it.'
(Noddy at the Seaside. Chapter 6 p46-48)

Anonymous on :

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ANON on :

Even if it was a lie, Joseph Smith brain washed us into serving our fellow man.

Robbie on :

So (ANON) you believe that lies and brainwashing if done 'for the greater good' justify the means?
If a Moron genuinely wishes to "serve his fellow man" I suggest he/she keep their retarded aspirations to the confines of their living rooms (after the kids have gone to bed, naturally) as they're plain retarded with regard to the ascent of man.
And stop sending your brainwashed zealot 19 year olds out as canon* fodder for your cause, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You clandestine elitist Masonaric loonies...

"Don't answer the question they ask, answer the question they should have asked."
Robert Millet (Author of "You Lying Get - a Modern Guide to Moron Apologetics"

Mormon Moran on :

I live in UT and can tell you first hand - Mormons are nice but totally stupid. The shit they believe in is laughable. How they say it with a straight face is beyond me.. nice people for the most part, but friggin' morans when it comes to life. Darn looney mormons...

J on :

Oh My God!!!! thank god theres a place where Mormons can be talked bad about!! I can't stand there views on how to live, life, and god!! it is a crazy brainwashing and energy draining cult! people walking around like robots without a clue of who they really are and there true feelings of themselves. THEY HAVE NO CLUE!! Afraid to try anything.. living in fear..1 number one way to control ..instill fear.
be careful Mormons you will loose your essence completely, if you loose all of yourself. DON'T BE A ROBOT! ASK YOURSELF QUESTIONS!! NOT THE CHURCH! LIES HURT . THE TRUTH FEELS GOOD!! BE YOURSELF!!

Oh yes one more thing!! BAPTISM OF THE DEAD WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK FUCKKK!! Ok can you say SATANIC! those crazy mutha fuckers! I for one am sure as hell glad im not mormon
that is also called conjuring of the spirits! I can't believe people don't question this.
its evil! and wrong!!

Voting Left This Year on :

Black > Mormon.

Obama for four more years because . . . really? What's the alternative?

Anonymous on :

Robbie, in the joseph smith translation of nobby at the seashore the brave little car did not save everyone. Only those who received the special signs, tokens, and secret (sacred) handshakes in the holy temple were allowed to be saved by nobby. Simply accept nobby in their hearts was just not enough!

(JST Nobby at the seashore chap 6 vs. 23)

A Mormon President? FUCK NO!!! on :

Obama hasn't really done shit for this country, but to have a mormon president? Makes everyone who really thinks about it puke a little bit in their mouths.

Might as well vote for Obama instead.
Just make sure to tell him to outlaw mormonism.

ROMNEY is the root of all evil.





By the way...


Don't tell the mormons but their religion is not real.
It's like playing Doctor.
You can dress up, act the part, believe it, but in the end.... you're not a Doctor.


DO NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!
DO NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!
DO NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!
DO NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!
DO NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!
DO NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!

Don't let his magic underwear lure you in.
You have been warned.

Lostprophet on :

I also would rather vote for a good candidate this year instead of Obama but there is a 100% chance i will not ever vote for a mormon for president!

Mormons Are Scientifically Retarded on :

Here is a quote spoken by US Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) last week (Sometime in June of 2012)

"Mormons sort of have an extra chromosome when it comes to American exceptionalism."

Really, Senator Lee? That scientifically means that Mormons are retarded. Truly, mental retardation and their beliefs about race go hand-in-hand.

Source: The Hill

Your leader on :

I find it funny that people are bashing religions based on very little knowledge of what they are speaking on. I took many college courses over the past years that worked in detail on religions. If it woks for them, then let them be. It is no more weird than Wicca, or Hinduism. I think that judging someone based on their religion is petty and immature. So what if he believes in the Mormon religion.

Robbie on :

@ Your leader.
“Very little knowledge – of what they’re speaking on”, is that so? Please define the degree of knowledge one must know before establishing that religion (and more namely Moronism) is retarded? I’m wondering at this point in time how versed you are in the true effects/ramifications of superstition upon mankind; was there a college course available examining this by any chance?
Plus everyone has the right to judge another, we all do it – so let’s be honest about this, it’s how we make our sensible choices. For example, when you’re (seriously) ill and need to see the doctor, to whom do you go – a faith healer? Would you have a doctor who rejects the fundamentals of science treat your children?
I’m glad you find it funny, although you’ll have to appreciate that someone of us are pretty sick of the way bullshit poisons everything. I.e. sometimes it’s beyond a joke.

Your leader on :

Try getting the truth first. Everyone bases their facts on what the internet has to offer. Get off your ass and do some research. You know, open a book or something. Though that would mean leaving your life of a couch potato to do so. Did you know that The LDS church has the largest farm in America. Think about that the next time you bite into that burger! Do you know that they were the first people to step up and help during hurricane Katrina... Do some REAL research.

Haters on :

Most all of you are uneducated haters who know absolutely nothing. I'm not an active Mormon. I was raised Mormon, but it's not for me. Saying that i respect their morals and what they believe in. I respect every religion and their core beliefs. All you mother fuckers, especially the adults, that are filled with so much hatred and venom over a religion is a joke. Get a life. God and religion is all good. Buddha is good and so are Muslims. The best religion of them all is Rastafarianism:). To all the parents who are worried their precious child might convert, are you serious? Dont be stupid focus on how happy he or she is. Who cares what they do in the temPle or if blacks weren't excepted during a certain time. They are now. By the way if I remember right everyone had issues with black people. Shit racism is still very much an issue today. Stop acting like mormons were the only people hating on the African Americans. Every religion has FLAWS and is a damn colt. About same sex marriage, I don't give a shit they can do what they want. But to sit on this joke for a website and bash the Mormons for sticking up for what they truly believe in is silly. If you believe in Christ or any form of the bible you believe in same sex marriage to dumbasses. Every bible says marriage is between man and women. I stand neutral. Excuse the mormons for being proactive on what they think is right. If you dont agree then do as much as the crazy Mormons and fight back. You should probably vote too. I cant believe you let this crazy religion get to you like this. Live your life dont worry about other people and their beliefs specially when most of them are good people. Im a dirt bag for a mormon but every religion has there dirt bags. And guess what the truly christ like members accept me for who i am, btut a lot of ass holes dont too. I'm ok with that. Thats just how it is it doesnt change for any religous group. ALL RELIGIONS are good. Don't send your daughter to Africa bc she might become a Mormon. Could be a lot worse like coming back from Africa with aids. Get a grip dad, damn fool. anyways that's my very unorganized rant. Whoever started this stupid post fuck you and everything you stand for. And that goes for everyone who has a problem with Mormons. Fuck you. Your god or religion is as wild and colt like as the lds religion. Start looking and judging people by their actions pieces of shit. We all have out place in the world and we don't need fuckers (majority of people on his post) to make life more negative than it already is.

Your leader on :

I find it hilarious that my re-buttle which proves Robbies ignorance goes un-published.

Robbie on :

@ "Your Leader"
I’ll be first to admit that I am ignorant about many things with regard to the (often clandestine) workings of the Moron church – but not completely ignorant. I’ve formed my views over many years not via assumptive reasoning but by the evidence presented. My approach has been multi directional i.e. a reasoned look from different aspects and perspectives. The religious mind (especially the theistic) often convinces itself that it does same, but I posit that their inquiry remains within limited grounds - a ‘comfort zone’ if you like. Yes, this may ‘work for them’ (as you put it) but it’s that very fear of the dark which retards mankind’s advance and keeps the lazy minded as ‘couch potatoes’ watching the likes of William Craig (the epitome of ignorance) enforce their own delusion.
The physical universe is the way it is, not the way we think or indeed wish it should be. True science moves to explain how, religion presupposes a ‘why’ and then works backwards thus it is retarded by definition.
And being first (second, third or even seventh) at a disaster scene to give aid is a reflection of decent considerate human behaviour – which begs the question. Do the religious aid their fellow human because they (believe) they’ve been instructed to as per their Holy Book or do they give help via an innate sense of wishing to help those around them who are less fortunate?

Your leader on :

@Robbie They do it because that is what any human should do, but they do it TOGETHER. They consider themselves family. They want to see the better side of the world, and to do so, they try to reach out and help others to see that there is good out there. They do it without trying to Convert. Jesus is their example, and Jesus was selfless. It's similar to raising a child. Your child learns by example, as do many of Jesus' followers. Not just the LDS church, but many others. The LDS church just has the funding to give much.

Tom on :

"your leader" your awesome! In my family alone I have Mormons, Gays, Blacks, atheists, Catholics, whites, republicans, democratics etc... When we all get together we all talk about our beliefs and obviously what we stand for. Everyone should be able to stand up for whatever they believe to be true. However, hatred never proves a good point. When this country had slaves and used hatred against them it did nothing but bring sorrow. Thousands or Mormons were murdered when the church was first introduced and this did nothing for anyone. If Atheists around the world were specifically targeted would this bring anyone happiness? Of course not! Everyone on this site that speaks evil towards any person should be ashamed of themselves and reevaluate how they are living their lives. For those who say Mormons Hate gays or whatever they are so mislead. Mormons may not believe in what gays stand for however they don't hate or wish harm against them. Gays have got to understand that not everyone is going to agree with what they believe. They may think they are being persecuted but so does everyone else in this life. To pinpoint one specific religion or people is absurd. Sure they vote against you and put money towards keeping what they believe to be correct, but doesn't everyone? How many gay protests do you see daily? How much money is spent daily for that way of life? Is that wrong too? NO, because everyone is entitled to stand up for what they believe. Its funny because in some countries its okay to have a sexual partner that is extremely young like 12 years old. Now if a group tried to introduce that type of sexual freedom into the usa people would freak out. Many gays would fight against it. Why? Why would anyone fight against it? Who made up that rule to say that it is wrong? I personally would be totally against it. But then again that's my freedom of speech. So how is that any different than Mormons being against gay marriage? It's not discrimination, it's merely what they believe to be true and you can't hate them for that. It's that freedom that makes our country amazing and no one should be revoked of that freedom. It's the hatred towards others that is pathetic, wrong, and never leads to good. You don't agree with Mormons? That's great, but why hate them or bash them? What point does that prove? If people only knew all the good they do for the world they might reconsider hating them. They spend millions and millions every year on helping people injured in disasters. They spend millions giving people food and clothing. They dedicate their lives to giving 10% of EVERYTHING they earn so that they can provide money for these types of instances along with building their church and NOT one LEADER or member of the church gets paid for their service. Thousands of missionaries daily give service by building churches for other religions that have been destroyed, helping disaster victims, helping the elderly, feeding the poor, and doing daily service for 2 years. You show me any other 19 year old who is willing to leave partying and his home for 2 years to do service? I could go on and on and on. If you think they are weird and annoying, oh well. I'm sure 99% of the Mormons out there have done more good in their lives for man kind then the people out there bashing them. So for all of you who have some more ignorant things to say, I think you should really consider what good YOU are doing for the world and i guess go along enjoying the cheap thrill you get for spreading your hatred.

Robbie on :

Meanwhile, back down on earth...

Elder Matumbo on :

Tom, your post is a perfect balance of ignorance and misinformation. You have the typical mormon persecution complex and you arrogantly ignore the fact that mormons are guilty of plenty of violence and persecution of their own. (mountain meadows, proposition 8-) If the mormon church simply speaks out against gay marraige that is freedom of speech, but the moment the church spends a cent of donated money to fund suppression of civil rights, that IS discrimination and that is exactly what they did.

Your claim that "NOT ONE LEADER" gets paid for their service is also false. The mormon church makes the claim of unpaid ministry but they neglect to disclose the fact that the mormon prophet and apostles recieve generous living allowances and expense accounts that exceed many CEO incomes.

If you are going to waste our time with drivel, please at least give us factually correct drivel.

Your Leader, your claim that a large mormon farm = true church is asinine. You are surely the leader... of the idiots ( I guess elders quorum)

Tom on :

Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain and most fools do. Here is some advice, choose to live your life differently while your here "back down on earth". Anyone has the opportunity to change their perspective or their approach towards life. If you really hate mormons sooooo much or think they are retarded, then the best way to destroy an enemy is to make them your friend. The thing that I personally find most amusing about this and the reason I even post on this site is because i enjoy watching the harsh words of people give way to simple truths. Do any of you even realize what a disservice your doing for yourselves? Do you realize how many people join the Mormon church because of blogs like these? All this hatred within websites, movies "the godmakers 1& 2 ha ha" only spark the interest of people to research what Mormons really believe, or who they really are. Once people find that out, they can't deny the uplifting nature or calmness that comes over them. Don't believe me? Research it. OR more simply, just allow yourself to let this hatred and bias go and visit a Mormon church one time. A successful person (religion) is one that can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others have thrown at him (them). Right now the Mormon religion, as a whole, has made most of the people and the leader of this site look, I'm sorry to say, uneducated or if not that, then just bitter for some weird reason. Robbie don't be so proud! I'm not speaking of the proud that is good. I'm speaking of the proud type person that makes every man their adversary by pitting their intellects, opinions, or any measure device against others. Pride is an ugly vice Robbie, Pride (in your case) says, if the Mormon religion succeeds, then I'm a failure. Humble yourself enough to be teachable in life within all things and to show respect for the beliefs of others.

Oh yeah one last thing, I am a so called "retarded" mormon. I have not been attending for the last 6 years of my life. I've been angry, spiteful, out of the church, and honestly i fought against it much like everyone else on this site. However, seeing all this along with other things just reconfirms why it really is such an amazing church.
Many of you cannot understand this religion, have heard bad things past down about it, or even for those of you who work countless hours to somehow prove it to others to be wrong. The religion can be described as simple as this, "KINDNESS is our religion."
If somehow one of us, all of us, or just our beliefs in general have offended you, well then, in behalf of all of us and all the horrible things we have done to you, "we sincerely apologize it never was,is, or will be our intention."

Tom on :

Elder Matumbo, I will not argue with you over these things. It's not worth it because It will just fall on deaf ears. I don't speak in arrogance and if thats how it came off, well i apologize. Also you say I have a persecution complex? Oh is that because I was proving a point that hatred towards ANYONE or ANY GROUP is wrong??? If you don't recall I mentioned blacks, atheists, gays, etc... Somewhere in there im sure you belong in a group that feels persecuted. So be happy to know I included you too. However, I guess I have a complex for standing up for the Mormons because they are the ones being critizised on this site. If I stood up for baptists on this site would that even make sense???? Ha ha ha, think about it...

I do know some of your so called "facts" are a little incorrect or worthless to talk about with people who have made up minds. It's like trying to prove God does or does not exist. Can you really PROVE any of it? Ha ha waste of time for everyone but here you go for your entertainment or pleasure. You can burn a Book of Mormon later k.

1. Mountain Meadows. It was horrible, however, did you somehow travel back to the past? Or did anti Mormon material somehow get altered throughout time? How do you know what is fact? This story has been blown apart by both sides. I can defend the Mormons, just as easily as you can try to tear them down. Did some Mormons do a wrong thing? YES. Was it the church as a whole? NO. Were some mormons fighting back to prove a point? Yes. But then again you are the master right? Wait the documents you have about it were the exact truth right? Come on now.

2. Prop 8. Did a ton of Mormons get together and become organized? Well yes. Did they vote? Yes. Was it mandatory within the church for them to vote! NO. Did they do it because they don't believe In gay marriage? Yes. Is it because they are homophobic? Maybe some are??? Did they put all there money together to help their cause? Yes. Did other religions as well? yes!!!! Did other people as well, yes!!! Did majority of black people vote against gays? Yes!!! What do you want me to say? Mormon members raised a lot of money. They are a very organized people and they are very firm about their beliefs. I'm sorry that it didn't turn out the way that gays would have wanted. Once again though, more than just Mormons donated money, Including many other churches that were never mentioned. They checked the files. Mormons were an easy target for people. Are you trying to also tell me that no one uses donation money in politics? What about celebrity donations? Media? Other organizations? Other churches? And NO gays never put money together ha ha ha give me a break. (sounds to me like elder matumbo has a typical gay persecution complex like all gays do. SUCKS when people stereotype huh. Oh by the way Steve young the quarterback who is lds and active stood against prop 8. Not all Mormons were out to get cha! Nor did the church get mad at him. Think about that and look that up for your factual binder.

3. I don't claim that not one leader gets paid, I know they don't. You know why? The prophet and the apostles live by a law called the law of consecration. Look it up since you have all the facts. I've seen exactly where they live and met and talked with many of them. The law of consecration, What that means, is that these men (some who are brain surgeons, doctors, and other careers) give all that they own, (some millions that they had) to the church. In doing so they are given an allowance of that money they GAVE to survive. Most (including the prophet) live in small apartments in downtown SLC. They are driven around in cars that the church owns. They fly on jets that the church owns, not them. They eat normal food. They don't wear fancy jewerly or go to elaborate million dollar CEO parties. Ha ha ha. Their wives are not pampered with expensive gifts daily. You are really mislead. They live a life of service. It's much like the missionaries "ELDER". I served in Chile for 2 years. Did I get paid? Ha ha ha I showered with a bucket of cold water everyday. The money I saved before my mission I donated and it was then dispersed to me in increments for 2 years. I not only taught about what I believe but I painted homes, cleaned yards, took care of sick, etc... I loved it. Why you ask? Because it taught me how to love everyone, including my enemies. Hey Elder, maybe you should serve. You already gave yourself the title.

Still don't understand how the church has money? Okay do me a favor k. This next year, save just 10% of anything you make and set it aside. At the end of the year you will have a lot of money saved up. Now just imagine the people within the church that have millions and pay tithing.

Your facts make me laugh but honestly they make me sad that some people preach hatred more than love. Anyway, I'm done ha ha ha. I wish you the best.

Robbie on :

What an obnoxious and arrogant little man.
I’ve heard the above Moron horse shit so many times – it’s bog standard propagandist spiel that only the credulous and Moronic buy. Well I’ve news for you Tom, the world is now waking up and seeing absurd supernaturalist religious cults such as yours for what they are. The cat’s out of the bag, any intelligent person with a computer can educate themselves if they so wish. You’ve been exposed, no more hiding behind piety, self-imposed martyrdom and the "Mr Nice Guy" banner. If you truly wish for refuge, choose reality... it's not easy at times, but at least it doesn't fuck with your head.

Elder Matumbo on :

Tom
You are a dim witted lemming aren't you. Its too bad you had to waste so much time learning spanish for your mission that you neglected to learn about your religion. Your 3 counterpoints are pretty much just rambling incoherent trash.

1. The mormon church has made several apologies for the Mountain Meadow Massacre most recently by Henry Eyring in 2007. The mormon church seldom takes responsibility for their actions but in this case, the chuch has accepted responsibility so why can't you?

2.The mormon church sent 20 million dollars to California to fund the anti-gay proposition 8. Court records also indicate that the church was fined for not disclosing the entire amount. Deny all you want but if you remove your head from your ass and look up the public court documents you will find this is a well documented fact.

3. You have accused me of having my own persecution complex because I am either black, gay. athiest blah blah. First, this statment exposes you as an ass, but second you missed the target. Unfortunately the only skeleton in my closet that I am embarassed to confess is that I was a mormon for many years.
In fact Tom, for several years I was the stake financial secretary and dealt with church headquarters very frequently. I am well aware of the church finances and if there is one thing mormons like to do is gossip and I got many stories from those in the know in SLC about the muted but extravagant lifestyles of the church leaders. Monson has quite a reputation for being a demanding pig.

So tom, I have earned my title of elder and you can now just go and fuck your hatbadge!

Tom on :

You guys make me laugh. Oh and why didn't my other comment get posted? Oh yeah probably because whoever is in charge decided not to show that one ha ha. See everyone, they tend to only show what "they find to be beneficial to a cause that has absolutely no meaning.". angry men always act this way.

TK (Admin) on :

Sorry Tom, I love to watch this, it's awesome - I never moderate a comment out unless it is junk... Sadly the post you were referring to was in my junk mail... I guess even Google thinks your comments are junk! Weird. Anyway - your comment is now posted in the place it should have been posted in this conversation.
BTW - Please weigh in on who is winning this Mormon smack-down with the "Who's winning" poll in the upper left-hand side of the blog. There appears to be an early favorite but don't relent! Keep on jabbing away!
TK (Admin)

Robbie on :

"I guess even Google thinks your comments are junk!"


Ha ha ha (just paraphrasing Major Tom there),
Thanks for allaying my "anger" TK, I mean I've really been steaming under the collar here, "hating" away, eating babies who dare look at me funny, pushing old ladies over in the street, having indiscriminate sex with whomever I choose (see what I did there) and oh, mustn't forget drinking copious amounts of coffee.
It's a hard tiring life being a heathen, but without us - how else would the zealots externalize?

Tom on :

Yeah yeah yeah, I guess there is nothing "anyone" can do for any of you right? Let's just put all them Mormons on an island and blow it up. That should take care of your problems, your hatred, all your petty complaining. Or maybe I can find ya a few more young kids that can come across your site. You can swear at them and bash in their spirits some more. Oh yeah, you don't believe in spirits. Ughhhh i guess you can bash in their nothingness, their non value, their worthlessness. Let's do that, because that shows real integrity. That's a true classy person for ya. A real man ha ha ha Anyway, once again all us mormons apologize for making your lives soooooo hard.

"it is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world, and moral courage so rare.". It's sad not one of you has the moral courage to see, hey this is petty and pathetic. Why hurt little kids, women, or others? Oh yeah it's because you must value who you are and you must stand for things that build people up. Ha ha. I wish you all the best in life, i really do. Robbie, elder and TK, take it easy guys and Just Reeeelaaaxxx ha ha If you don't believe there is a real purpose to this life then why do you care anyway? If I were you, and I had no purpose heck I would freaking live it up with positivity. Life is so much better when negativity is eliminated. Build up a few Mormons once in a while, who knows your positivity might cure their retarded brainwashed insignificant lives.

Robbie on :

Yeah, take care Tom (especially when crossing the road) and if you ever happen to be passing, please say "Ha" to Kolob from me.
I'm off to club a few baby seals now (it helps me unwind), so so long and good luck with your new meds! :-)

problem solver on :

The real problem is............we let politics become more important than our creator!!! JESUS is the answer! Accept Jesus as your lord and savior, or perish!

heckubiss on :

Catholics own their crazy. Its right on the table. With Mormons its more like fight club - Bill Maher

Elder Matumbo on :

Tom
You are a dim witted lemming aren't you. Its too bad you had to waste so much time learning spanish for your mission that you neglected to learn about your religion. Your 3 counterpoints are pretty much just rambling incoherent trash.

1. The mormon church has made several apologies for the Mountain Meadow Massacre most recently by Henry Eyring in 2007. The mormon church seldom takes responsibility for their actions but in this case, the chuch has accepted responsibility so why can't you?

2.The mormon church sent 20 million dollars to California to fund the anti-gay proposition 8. Court records also indicate that the church was fined for not disclosing the entire amount. Deny all you want but if you remove your head from your ass and look up the public court documents you will find this is a well documented fact.

3. You have accused me of having my own persecution complex because I am either black, gay. athiest blah blah. First, this statment exposes you as an ass, but second you missed the target. Unfortunately the only skeleton in my closet that I am embarassed to confess is that I was a mormon for many years.
In fact Tom, for several years I was the stake financial secretary and dealt with church headquarters very frequently. I am well aware of the church finances and if there is one thing mormons like to do is gossip and I got many stories from those in the know in SLC about the muted but extravagant lifestyles of the church leaders. Monson has quite a reputation for being a demanding pig.

So tom, I have earned my title and you can now just go and fuck your hatbadge!

Elder Matumbo on :

Hey heckubiss I love Bill Maher too. Tom will say we like Bill only because he beats up on mormon women and children. Did you notice in his last post, Tom revealed a strange fixation with little Kids? Toms Bishop recently counselled him that it is best to stay IN the closet, and then promptly removed him from his church role as primary teacher. Jesus wants you for a sunbeam Tom.

nonya on :

if you dont know anything to the fullest extent dont make friggin assumptions about it you retard read up and get your facts strait and dont say crap about stuff you dont know your the kinda person that pisses me off.

Elder Matumbo on :

nonya
I think I remember you from the Jeopardy tournament of champions.

Robbie on :

LMFAO!

Elder Matumbo on :

Robbie it appears that we have shown the mormons the way, the truth, and the light. Now what are they going to do with all those empty temples?

Robbie on :

:-)
Well during some ‘delightful’ discussions with a theotard recently – who incidentally didn’t impart to me which version of rock he was fervently being led to – I had this idea. You see he described my disbelief in god/gods as being a ‘religion’ and this had me thinking. Due to lack of evidence, there are many other things I don’t believe in such as Precambrian rabbits, fairies disguised as angels (or vice versa), unicorns (tee hee), magic, crop circles, celestial teapots, Lancaster bombers on the moon, homeopathy, astrology, divining, Mormon geneticists, pseudo science and Clint Eastwood’s proficiency as a Gestalt therapist.
So I thought about turning these vacant Taj Mahals into ‘Churches of disbelief’, you know a place where skeptical folk could congregate and have a good laugh at the expense of the credulous and intentionally blinkered.
But then I thought that although not clandestine, the idea was perhaps a tad elitist. And knowing mankind’s inherent taste for bullshit – well it wouldn’t be long before we’d have another 'Library of Alexandria' as the pious mobs descended weilding fire bombs, crucifixes and butt plugs.

Either that or we could lease them all out to Starbucks.

What would you suggest Elder Matumbo?

Kerrie Hamra on :

my tagline offering: spreading the concealed truth (since the 12 apostles apparently spread the revealed truth)

Elder Matumbo on :

Gestalt therapy and mormon geneticists? OMG I can't stop laughing.

Speaking of elitists, butt plugs, and bullshit - Mittmormon Romney is in the news tonight:


“…this week, Mitt Romney up’d the ante, telling a crowd in Virginia ‘I will not take God off of our coins!’ …taking a bold and unwavering stand against something no one has ever asked anyone to do.”

“Other things Romney will not do with currency, no matter how much you threaten or plead include nailing a silver dollar to his forehead and shoving a roll of dimes up his ass. By the way, that’s Pat Robertson standing behind Mitt … because who knows more about using the connection between God and money.”

Bill Maher

Robbie on :

Hahahaha! Got to love Bill!
Thanks for that :-)
Hey Matumbo, I don't know if you've heard but in downtown Sydney today some members of the 'religion of peace' have been truly getting their knickers in a twist. Several arrests, a few riot police in hospital. Apparently that shit film by "Sam Becile" has driven the im-beciles nuts. Just as well Jo didn't know wtf he was on about when proclaiming to become another Muhammad... to the moron's credit he probably didn't want to impose some kind of Sharia Law or something (please correct me if I'm wrong... I'm probably wrong, aren't I?).
And as for those who want to behead insulters of the (so called) "prophet" I think there's a good case for beheading those who can't make a half decent insulting film against Islam, I mean ffs it can't be that hard! Wankers.
I urge the world to FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED!! And while we're at it don't shy at ridiculing obvious bullshit at any given opportunity!
Right, Gene's C24th beckons - Next Gen here I come.
Engage....

Elder Matumbo on :

"Joe's gonna be smokin' an' I ain't even jokin but I'll be peckin' and a pokin' and I'll pour water on that smokin'. Now this might astound and amaze ya but I will destroy Jo Frazier."

Muhammad Ali


"Joe's been smokin and I mean tokin that he got so high and made up a lie - He made up a book that dirty little crook, and part of that fraud was that he was a god. That boy smith created such a myth that those who are blind and have weak a mind would give their consent to pay 10 percent. He went really far and got more bizarre and convinced dull-wits to swear to put on magic underwear. "

Muhammad Mutumbo ( I am not a poet and really do know it)

Robbie on :

Excellent! :-)
I could vividly see you there attempting to bop up and down under the weight of excessive bling, baseball cap reversed, hand gestures going awry – the black superman punch drunk after a heavy night on the town. Hmm, Muhammad, the ‘black superman’ Moron rap star, who would’ve believed it?
Have you ever considered busking under the yard-glass downing Moroni on a Sunday morning?

Elder Matumbo on :

Hey that is an awesome idea. Moroni pilsner, Joe Myths Dark Lager, Stout Pale Mormon Wife blend, Blonde Virgin Cream... We could package a free set of mormon logo underwear with each keg.

My relative, Pliny the Elder would be impressed with our beer marketing skills.

Cierra (A Completley Retarded Mormon) on :

Look Sir, I know you don't believe in Mormonism but this is extremely offensive to some who do. I only read this because I was looking at stuff for a research project. Let me point out a few errors I noticed first The Book Of Mormon took TWO YEARS to translate NOT THREE MONTHS and he DIDN'T do it from behind a curtain he read if from the plates while *Emma*, his wife scribed it from behind a curtain. That's only a few. So, do a little more research before you go and completly obliterate a religion. Thanks.

Asholio420 on :

All religions have one thing in common they all have an evil figure whether it be Satan or shaytan, or lucifer, that means there is always an embodiment of evil and normally that is reserved for people that don't agree with your views.

Emmett on :

Re 297 and "Elder Matumbo": You actually believe that the Mormon Church has apologized for Mountain Meadows? That "apology" is the most disingenuous bit of tripe that has come from any religion since Israel claimed God gave them a country. The principal agitator in the entire affair was Brigham Young himself -- an avaricious prick who knew well how wealthy some wagon trains were. Young wanted to ensure the survival of his wild enterprise, and the Fancher train had the sustenance he needed.

Make no mistake: Brigham Young, the Great Brigham Young, ordered the massacre. Anything less than an admission of this culpability is a calculated lie.

Nicky on :

Remember me? I will not say that the mormon church has not made mistakes because we have. Guess what, we are human! just like everyone else we make mistakes and all we can do is apologize, repent and try to do better. Jospeh Smith, Brigham Young and all prophets and apostles that have followed them have done the best they can to lead a church that only wants to improve the world and make a difference for the better. We have not always gone about this in the right way but as I said above we are human and make mistakes just like everyone else.
"Those without sin cast the first stone." I ask of all of you, are you completely free of sin or wrong doing? I know that I am not. The point is that I try my best to be better each day. Also the Church leaders are NOT paid. Be careful what you read on the internet because there is a lot of anti stuff out there that does not speak the truth about this religion. It took me a long time to decide that Mormonism was best for me. Not for everyone, but for me. How would you feel if someone set up a website devoted to desolating your beliefs?
Me honestly? I think it is sad and I wish that you all did not feel so much hatred toward the Latter-day Saint people (LDS), but it does not shake my faith. The most important thing is that I love my Savior and I want to devote my life to him in the best way I know how. I hope that everyone does the same in their own way no matter how that is.

Anonymous on :

Nicky
Welcome back! I know you are here again because the holy ghost prompted you to come back to seek out the truth.

You asked "How would you feel if someone set up a website devoted to desolating your beliefs?"

Desolating
Make (someone) feel utterly wretched and unhappy.

There is a website that is devoted to "desolating" my beliefs and that website is mormon.org. That site fits the definition to a capital "T".

proud mormon on :

mormons are cool and you all suck. The day of punishment is close. God will kill you all, wicked dirt

Nicky on :

Anonymous,
What exactly does Mormon.org said or done to destroy your beliefs? Have you checked out lds.org? Really looked at it?
I do know the truth for me. I love my religion and have done a lot of self searching to know if it was true or not.
Proud Mormon,
Are you alright? please don't talk like that. Love and forgiveness is Christs way and it should be ours as well.

Emmett on :

Nicky, it may interest you to know that the quote you use, "Let those among you without sin cast the first stone" has been shown to be an inauthentic addition to the Jesus story. Ask any but a Mormon biblical scholar and you'll get the same answer. It is textually different; it does not appear in the earliest copies of the Gospels. In other words, it was putting words in Jesus' mouth -- exactly what every Christian religion does. The truest words you wrote were, "Guess what, we're all human." Yes, we are; and our religions are human inventions designed to suit uniquely human needs in human time.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nicky
Today at lunch, I was asked about the mormon word of wisdom. This is one thing that has always baffled me, and I could not give an answer.
The word of wisdom states that hot drinks are not for the body. Why does that include only coffee and tea? Mormons consume copious amounts of hot chocolate at ward winter events. Why is herbal tea ok when standard tea is not? They are both usually served at the same "hot" temperature.
If it is because of the caffeine? If that is the reason, why do mormons consume so much coke, pepsi, mountain dew, root beer... Many of mormons I know consume litres of diet coke and pepsi per day.
Mormons love sweets; dry cocoa powder for cooking contains over 200mg of caffeine. There is a law office here that are all mormons and they keep a fridge stocked with red bull, you can't really get more caffeine than that unless you hook up to an IV.

This is just one of the many rules that mormons make justifications to break. Bring-em young used to disipline and excommunicate members for breaking this rule, why not now?

This word of wisdom phooey can only be explained this way: CULT mond control tactics. The mormon church is a dangerous hypocritic cult that produces such all-stars as "proud mormon" above. If you are not a mormon you are "dirt".

Well, I have been on both sides of the fence, and I prefer drinking coffee with the rest of the non-mormon "dirt"

Have a coke and a smile.

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo,
The Word of Wisdom can be a bit confusing. Hot drinks does mean tea and coffee, we don't know why but that is what our leaders have told us. It is not because of the caffine. It is a personal choice to drink caffine or not, or even eat chocolate. For example my dad made a personal covenant with God that he did not want to consume any type of caffine and so he is no longer eatting any kind of chocolate.
Second, not every LDS member follows the covenants and promises we have made. It is a choice to do as we have been asked and there are those who might look down on those who do, but for the most part we try to love them and support them, if not their lifestyle.

Joseph Smith on :

Wow I really like this site it's been a lot of fun reading... And I've always wondered about the hot beverage thing too... My dad is a mormon and came to visit me for a few days. He got upset that I was making coffee in the morning but drank about two liters of Pepsi every day he was here????

Emmett on :

Any religion that eschews coffee is bonkers. Simple as that.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nicky, I really like that you come here and make the attempt to explain the absurd world of mormonism, but I need to point out that once again you missed the mark and pulled a Palin.

"It is a choice to do as we have been asked and there are those who might look down on those who do, but for the most part we try to love them and support them, if not their lifestyle." Blah Blah

What a non sequitur. Have you not ever wondered why you do not have answers? How do you just accept what your "leaders" tell you? That is asenine! Why would God just choose a couple of random beverages to ban from members of his church?
Why didn't God pick cup a soup, or Postum maybe? If I was God I would certainly ban Postum! have you ever tasted postum? dreadful! I think coffee is more healthy than ice cream. Maybe that fat ass monson should try coffee with his donuts and maybe lose a pound or seventy.

Why would God give one rats ass what beverage you consume for breakfast? Idiotic mormon mind control.

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo,
I do not just accept what my leaders have said. I know that I do not have all the answers and neather do my leaders. I know and accept this as a fact of life. If I question something then I go to the scriptures, all of them not just the Book of Mormon but the Bible as well, and come up with my own explanation. I also prey for wisdom and understanding.
On this issue of the Word of Wisdom the answer I personaly recived was that my eternal soul did not rest on understanding everything before I died. I was free to break this law if I choose, but I would lose many precious blessings if I did break the Word of Wisdom.
It is not an unjust punishment, I had covenented when I was eight to keep the Word of Wisdom and if I choose not to follow it then the consiquences are something I must deal with. I accept responsibility for my actions.
I am not being mind controled. I think for myself and I ask many of the same questions many of the people on this site ask, the difference is that I do not go to some unknowns source for answers. I go to the Scriptures and to God for the answers. I know many of you will think me stupid for doing this, but it is how my religion works. "Ask and ye shall recive, knock and it shall be opened unto you, amen."
The Church cares what I do, say, how I act, what I wear, and who I am because they care about me. I know in the world today this is seen as so controling and restrictive, but I feel free because of the rules that I keep. There are many things I do not have to worry about in my life because I follow the rules and commandments set for me by my church. So what if I don't understand a small part of the Word of Wisdom, I understand the rest and it all keeps me safe, so I will follow all of it knowing that even though I do not know the reason for not drinking coffee God does and he is protecting me.

Emmett on :

Nicky, don't you realize that if your mind is controlled, you will be the last person to know it?

Your reasoning frightens me. Islamic fundamentalists -- the Salafist nutjobs -- have the same reasoning as you do. You belong to a faith, you pray for guidance, you believe what a voice in your head tells you, and you interpret scripture for your own needs. The distance from your position to that of a Salafist suicide bomber is the distance from privilege to destitution.

Darcy on :

I'm a Mormon and all I have to say is, you guys are stupid for just believing what other Mormon-haters have told you without doing any research, and I felt offended at first but after realizing how ridiculous 90% of these comments are, I just feel slightly amused.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nicky, you are wrong. You DO accept everything your leaders tell you. The leaders tell you and then you go though the motions of "praying and pondering" and the little voice in your head always tells you that the leaders are right. It is conditioning. Think about the times in church when they sustain someone for a position. You know that person is a douchebag, but yet when they ask all those in favor to raise their hand, you do. When they ask for those opposed, NO ONE ever raises their hand. They blindly follow those "leaders" good littile mormons do not ever swim against the stream no matter what that little voice inside whispers to them.
Mormons give up the best part of life which is the freedom and RESPONSIBILITY to think and do for yourself.

I also call bullshit that you say the word of wisdom is only a small part that you don't understand. There is far more about mormonism that you do not understand than that. I promise you that.

By the way, when I knocked, the answer I received was to stay as far away from mormonism as possible. Your response will be that it was Satan answering because God was out for a coffee break.

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo,
I went through a very hard time in my life, where everything I believed was oposite to the LDS way of life. It was the worst couple years of my entire life. I didn't trust anything said by my leaders because I couldn't trust them to tell me the truth, or so I thought. When I finally let go of my fear, hate, and anger was when I came back to Church. The reason I stay is because it makes me happy. I went through a lot of searching to find that this was the right thing for me. I am not brain washed. When I wake up in the morning I will remember what I did the night before, I wont fear that I made a mistake, I wont find out that I am pregnant and have no clue who the father is, or pregnant and not be ready for it, there are so many things that my beliefs protect me from.
In the world today the rules I follow seem resticting, but they free me in a way that I cannot explain.
I have been in a sacrament meeting when someone did raise their hand to say that the person called should not be in that calling. They don't make a big fuss about it, the Bishop meets with the person who rose their hand and they talk about why. It didn't make a difference that time, but I know of times when it has.
I am insulted that I am seen as someone who cannot think or make desisions myself. I am a Psychology major. Everything I do up at school involves me finding truth, thinking past what is told me and discovering the truth, no matter if it is in a textbook or not. I do know how to think and reason for myself, and I do it everysingle day. Just because I have values that I follow does not mean that I don't think for myself and make my own desisions.
When I said that there is only a portion of the Word of Wisdom I do not understand, I meant just that. There is only a small portion of the WORD OF WISDOM I do not yet understand, in the entire Church there are many things that I am still trying to figure out and no I do not agree with a few things said by the First Presidency. That is why I search for myself.
I am so sorry that you have found you need to stay away from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I will not condem you or damn you for coming to this relization. It is your choice and although I find it sad I will not belittle your beliefs. I hope someday that your mind is changed, but if it is not then I understand and wish you the best in this life and the next.
As long as you are happy then that is all that matters.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nicky, You must remember that you have come here to a site entitled "Mormons are completely Fucking Retarded" so you cant' come here and complain that you have been insulted. Of course you should be insulted. From what I gather, that is the intention of this site and those who participate here. I never come to your mormon website and espoused my beliefs. You are free to believe what ever you want, but when you come here, expect to be challenged.

You said "When I wake up in the morning I will remember what I did the night before, I wont fear that I made a mistake, I wont find out that I am pregnant and have no clue who the father is, or pregnant and not be ready for it, there are so many things that my beliefs protect me from"

Oh-my-God, this is a typical arrogant mormon highground statement. If your not a mormon, you must be a drunk. Now that's insulting to pretty much everyone. I get so sick of you mormons and your moral highground. You mormons think everyone that takes a drink is a drunk, and there is no morality outside of the mormon compound walls. This is why mormons are despised. (one reason anyway)
Next, check your statistics please. Mormon teen pregnancy rates are equal to almost every other religion, except in Utah, where mormon teen pregnancy is almost 3 times the national average as of 2007. So much for the "rules" protecting them. Pray all you want about it, these remain the facts despite what your leaders say.

I guess you will have to remain insulted because it is clear from every one of your responses that you do not think for yourself. You said as much. You said you like all the rules and all the decisions the church makes for you. It makes life so simple. Just float along in your mormon daze not having to think and make any choices for yourself. I am sorry that mormons are to weak/lazy minded to want to breakout of this mormon bubble.

Lastly, I am pretty sure you don't even realize what a self righteous statment you made when you say that you will not condemn or damn me for my beliefs.
Oh thank you Lord Nicky the Christ, thank you for not condemning me and damning me to hell. I bow and kneel before you and your judgemental mormon authority.

Nicky on :

I was not saying that everyone is a drunk, that is not what I was refering too. I was mearly saying what my religion pertects me from. I was insulted, but it's not a big deal to me, because I know that the purpose of the sight is exactly that.
I know that teen Mormon pregnancy is up, guess what my sister was one of those teens. I will say it again, we are not perfect. We make mistakes and children who are raised Mormon don't always agree with their parents.
Lastly I did not mean that as self righteous. I am not judgemental of you, in fact I find your beliefs rather fasinating and this is a great place to look up new mormon conspericies.

Emmett on :

Personally, I just want to be where coffee drinkers go. Please pray for me to go to hell, please Nicky? I'm not Mormon, so I won't get my own planet, darn it all anyway. Might as well burn eternally.

Elder Matumbo on :

"in fact I find your beliefs rather fasinating"

Nicky, you stole that line from Seinfeld. Festivus Rules!


We all know mormons are not perfect, but down deep, they really think they are. This is exactly the reason why anal bleaching has never really become popular in utah.

Gordon Freeman on :

All you guys who love to hate.

HAVE FUN IN HELL!!!!!!
Satan has caught a grip on you and just like the untouchables in hinduism that's what you will be in the spirit world and after judgment. good riddance. i really dont care about being nice to you since you have clearly not earned it. enjoy your sinful life while you can. because after that you will regret it.

WIntour on :

I am really sad for all the critics because after all, you the only thing you are good at is to criticize others. In doing so you are demonstrating that you really need help because you are so pathetically lost in your life. It is obvious that you are not happy in your life. I just hope that you will not be in a situation where you 're gonna loose everything and that the only people who will come to help you are mormons, or catholic or any of those you are criticizing. Have a great day and try to reconciliate you with yourself.

TK (admin) on :

I love that Bible verse! "Exodus 14:12 HAVE FUN IN HELL", wow, great research. The most recent and reliable research suggests there was a Jesus and that he married a WHORE!!! That's right, Jesus married a prostitute and you judge me? If your make believe BS is real, then what right do you have to judge anyone? Unchristlike "Christians" like the people in the previous post prove a great point. If there is a hell we will certainly see you there.

Ashley on :

I feel like this entire page is written and mostly commented on by really uneducated people, because no one I would deem educated would speak like this regarding religion. Religion is based completely on personal belief and I'm really offended that most of you who, really know nothing, are bashing my religion. Thank You all for ruining my day. If you actually want to learn something about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints maybe you should talk to some people who actually know what they are talking about. People never cease to disappoint me.

Nicky on :

Emmet, I will pray for you to be happy and go where you want to go. I don't think you deserve hell.
Elder Matumbo, I have never seen Seinfeld so I have no idea what you are talking about...
Ashley, take it easy there will always be those who attack our beliefs.If you come back here then take my suggetsion and read the book of Enos, I found a lot of comfort there when I first foun this site.

Elder Matumbo on :

Ashley, I agree there are some dumb posts here, but there are many smart ones as well. If you read carefully, you will find that the mormon apologists provide the most benighted entries on the site.

Mormons typically respond "you need to do some research". Research has been done and If you look back through the posts, you will see that mormons have been provided with numerous facts, but these facts are ignored and countered with feelings, promptings, burning bosoms, and blind faith. There is a small place in life for faith, but when facts exists, fact trumps faith. mormonism defies fact and logic.

You say that if we want to learn something, talk to a member of the mormon church. Ok then, go for it. Teach us something that you know. I will give you a starting point. I was just reading an article that the mormon church earns more than 7 billion dollars per year from tithes and offerings. The "church" or "corporation of the president" in turn reinvests this income into FOR PROFIT business such as malls, office complexes, ranches, farms, real estate, construction companies, manufacturing etc. etc. Most of the returns on these investments are not distributed to the poor and needy (just enought to keep the religious tax free status) but are hoarded by the for-profit prophet and his corporation.

Please enlighten us with some of your mormon insider insight on why such a god serving, non profit organization is such a enormous profit dragon?

TK (Admin) on :

Thank you, Elder Matumbo... I was at a place where I was not able to hold my tongue (JOB 6:24), and then your post showed up. I am so appalled that Mormons try to disprove your point by pointing to their scripture. If their scripture was based in any other single other element but blind faith, it would not be admissible as evidence.
In a court of law, they would have already been found incompetent to stand trial.
If I took a shit in the woods, buried it, and then pointed back to the un-locatable shit as evidence, I would be laughed out of the courtroom.
For some reason they wish to remain simple and do not wish to investigate further explanations for their faith... I am sad for THEM. (1 Cor. 14:37)
I point out these verses not to entice, but to prove the point that anyone can prove their position by a completely ridiculous and unscientific text.

Elder Matumbo on :

TK, I am at a complete loss as to how these people can abandon common sense and disconnect from logic. I am reminded of a quotataion that I have posted here before. It is from the current King of Koolaid.

"I wasn't with Joseph, but I believe him. My faith did not come to me through science, and I will not permit so-called science to destroy it."
Thomas S. Monson (moron prophet)

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo,
Where did you find that information about tiths and offerings? I am genuinely curious to know about that. I can assure you that the Church does not use tiths or offerings for anything non church related. They are used to help the poor and also to build churchs and Temples. Have you watched the latest show about Mormonism, done by a news station? It shows a Bishop Store house filled with wheel chairs, food and other nessesities availiable to everyone, not just members of the church. In Leviticus 27:30 it reads "And the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lords:It is holy unto the Lord." We do not just use the Book of Mormon, we use the Bible too. Personally my favorite book of scripture is St.John.
TK, I really love the scripture Job 6:24. Job was a humble man and was a perfect example of who we should try to be when we are struggling with trials of faith. He never wavers in that faith even when his entire family dies and he loses absolutely everything. Still he cleaves unto God. Elder Matumbo said above that fact trumps faith. I find this statement very sad because even facts change and become false or simply change slightly. Fact is not really fact in many ways, so why does it trump faith? Faith is an essental part of any religion, not just Mormonism.
TK, you mentioned above that faith would never hold up in court and that our 'blind faith' would never hold up to any kind of scruteny. I find this a very odd comment because the Bible that you have quoted would be absolutely rediculous without faith. A child born of a virgin, an atonement given to men through a saviors sacrifice, pillers of fire and the parting of the Red Sea. All of this without faith combine to make a wonderful fiction novel. 1 Corinthians 15:14 reads "And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is vain." Faith must exist in any religion someone studys, because if we do not look through anothers eyes to their religion it will seem stupid and backwards.
Everyone has faith in something no matter if that is science, Christianity, Budism, or any other belief. Without that faith then we cannot believe anything. The world would call this feeling trust.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nicky, while I go find a concrete wall to bang my head against, could you please re-read TKs last post again? Because you COMPLETELY missed his point!! Read his last sentence over and over and over till you get it!

Did you hear recently about the idiot that jumped the fence at the Zoo to pet a lion? He had faith that the lion would not hurt him. The lion attacked and ripped out his throat. He is dead. The fact is, lions kill people. This fact may contradict the bible, but it is a fact.

Here is the link to the mormon money trail, although I expect you won't believe it. I don' think anything can penetrate that bubble you live in:
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/13/13262285-mormon-church-earns-7-billion-a-year-from-tithing-analysis-indicates?lite
Paste in your browser.

TK (Admin) on :

Here's one from Bloomberg Financial... This spells it out. WITH FACTS AND ACTUAL INFORMATION THAT WASN'T TRANSLATED BEHIND A CURTAIN WITH MAGIC GOLDEN PLATES.
http://buswk.co/Mfcsbq

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo, you are right I don't understand that comment, I am not sure what he was trying to say. Second, I read the article you put up in your post for me, thank you it was very inlightening. I do believe what it says to a point, Tithing is mostly spent to keep Temples running and give humanitarian aid. I don't know why some members have a hard time with how the church spends the Tiths and offerings because we are almost always the first group to help when there is a natural disaster of some sort, but that is their opinion so they can believe it all they want, I really don't care. I could not find anything on a mega mall on the church cites but that does not mean that it is not happening. I don't know why the church feels the need to put a mall up, but it does not bother me very much, maybe it does a little but I gave my tiths too them meaning that it is no longer my money and they can spend it how best they see fit. These are good men and I know they will do what is needed for our people around the world.
Now for the bit about the Lion. Faith can only go so far, when someone is stupid enough to think that God will save him from a lion like Danial in the lions den then faith is not enough to save him. We still have to use common sense and the Spirit will try to keep us out of danger but will not always work in the way we expect. He is God and He does not think in the same way we do.

Mormon on :

Mormons are "retarded"? How? We believe in what we believe. We don't go out and try to ruin any other religion. Why do you do it to us? We believe that there is a God and that there is a Jesus Christ. We are christian. We do believe that a man named Joseph Smith revived the church from the golden plates. I can see how crazy it sounds and how people can make fun of it. But it's our belief. You aren't going to change anyone's mind about their religion if they believe it. We believe that when we die, we are judged. And if we die and get to heaven and get told that our religion is a scam, so be it. We have people dedicated precious time to serve the church. We have bishops that do not get paid anything for always being there for the members of that ward. Why do you have such a big problem with us, that you feel like you need to disprove us? If it is a false religion, it's still a fantastic way to live. We have rules that we follow... No drugs, alcohol, pre-marital sex, we go to church every week, we have modern day prophets that reveal revelation to us. We don't need you to believe it. We do. Why everyone needs to jump down our throats about it, is honestly pathetic. It's pathetic that we still have people like this that can't focus on their own religion, they have to TRY and disprove ours. Good luck. We believe what we believe and you can't change anything about that. At least it comforts us, isn't that what everyone wants? Peace and comfort? Well, we get that through our religion. So just take it easy. What you are all doing is just negative to you. It can get to a member, but once they go to church, everything that is said in these stupid longs feeds is just washed away and we don't care. We're happy.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nicky, Several years ago while a mormon, I was reading a web-site such as this one. I could not believe what some people said about my church. However, the seed was planted and I asked myself if I really believed this fantasy, It turns out I didn't. I contribute to these sites in hope that I can pay it forward. We have provided you with the seed, now go nurture it.

If I can save but one soul from mormonism, how great shall be my reward.

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo,
Thank you for your gift of a seed, but I am afraid that it will not be enough to make me turn from my religion. You might see faith as something foolish, but it is what keeps me going. Without faith I would be dead right now, I would have killed myself because of the few horrible things that happened to me in life, but through Christ I have been made whole and I can move forward with my life even if it is still hard. I know that Mormonism is not for everyone, I did not come here to try and convert you all. I came here to better understand the arguments against my beliefs. Some have been more enlightening than others.

Emily on :

Mormons get judged a lot because people just don't understand their beliefs and they won't except the fact that not every one believes in the same thing. But no matter how much Mormons are getting bashed you don't see them going around and bashing other religions. At least Mormons except the fact that not every one believes what they do. They are nice people, and if you would just take the time to get to know them for who they really are you wouldn't think this way about them.

NATE on :

Bitter much? Only someone with guilty conscience could be so negatively opinionated about any religion, let alone one that spends all its time serving others and doing good.

theman on :

Mormonism didnt really start from a pure place like Judaism or early Christians. Catholics have the whole worship Mary thing...and all the DOGMA!!!! and Popes and power and the inquisition.
Joseph Smith was killed while running away....He was no William Wallace eh??? (braveheart)Wallace died for his belief in freedom. Rastafarians are a little funky too, but hey their Jesus was an Ethiopean King??? I guess ganja can get you closer to God. The music is good and Bob Marley was a great messenger. Islam on the other hand has 103 versus in the Koran on violence for all who dont believe in Alah. That religion will not stop until all are converted. Isreal needs to wake up and smell the Uranium now!!!!
just my two cents. I do believe in a powerful energy that we cant really comprehend or explain. Religion truly tries to accomplish this, but not doing such a good job.

Nicky on :

theman, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the same church Christ set up among the jews. We have a prophet and apostles with athority and power from God to lead the people of today.Joseph Smith was not killed running away. He knew that he was going to die in jail when he went, but he and his brother Hyrum along with a few other leaders went willingly like a lamb to the slaughter. It was not the government who decided his fate, he died by a shot by a mob that threw him out a window. His last words were "My Lord, My God." Our religion did start in a very pure place first in Jerusalem then in Palmyra New York with a young Joseph Smith who just wanted to know the truth. He died a marter for his beliefs and for the Church he had helped to lead.

Elder Matumbo on :

Reality Check. Here are a couple of facts of the actual events:

1) While in Jail, Joseph and Hyrum sent for wine. The book "history of the church" indicates that the wine was not for sacrament, but to lift their spirits... literally. (remember this was after he made up the word of wisdom. (The do as I say not as I do rule book)

2) Joseph did not go quietly like the "lamb". Brother Weelock had given him a pistol which he had in his pocket. When the mob broke in, Joseph managed to get off three shots killing at least two as he ran to the window. He was shot in the back as he tried to escape from jail. Saying he was like a lamb to the slaughter is a complete distortion of reality and a LIE.

3)THe story that he called out my lord my god is another fabrication, although what else would you say when you get shot other than "Goddamn it", or holy "fuck they got me". "oh my god" or "good lord" is not unbelievable.

Adolf Hitler only wishes that he was a mormon because in 50 more years, these mormon spindoctors would have him remembered as persecuted snow white lamb.

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo,
Who wrote this book? What are his/her credentials and how do you know you can trust them? I went Carthage jail and felt such an amazing spirit there. It was heart breaking but soothing to be where he was killed and think about what had happened that day. I think i heard something about wine but I don't remember and hoestly it does not bother me. Where did you read that Brother Weelock gave him a pistol? I have never heard that before in my life. Why is it so hard to believe that Joseph called out 'My Lord my God?' If you have not heard the music from "My Servent Joseph I would sugest you listen to it, it tells of Josephs life and death better than I can.

Elder Matumbo on :

History of the church is book by LDS historians. It is a mormon book!!
Your statements contridict your own chruch history. MY GOD, are you really telling us you get your information from songs?? Explains a-lot!
Perhaps you should take your fellow mormons advice and DO SOME RESEARCH on your own church! READ A GODDAM BOOK and will learn much more than songs, goosebumps, and spirits can ever teach you!

Jesus Christ Nicky I don't want to get personal, but come on, use some of that grey matter that god gave you to think for yourself.

This 7-book series (aka "Documentary History of the Church") is the official history (written between 1839 and 1856) of the early Latter Day Saint movement during the lifetime of founder Joseph Smith, Jr. It is largely composed of Smith's writings and interpolations and editorial comments by Smith's secretaries, scribes---and, after Smith's death, by LDS Church historians

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo,
I do my own research thank you very much, music just speaks to me in a special way and it was written by a faithful church member who had a great understanding of church history, if I remember correctly he was a church historian himself. I really don't care if you listen to it or not. I do read church books and I do research on my religion, but I have not read "History of the Church." You say that it is written by church historians, which church historians? I would like names so that when I look it up I find the right one because I know for a fact there is more than one. I did not contridict what you said about the wine or gun, only that I had never heard it before. As for the saying for all I know that could be wrong as well, I have not seen a church leader speak of that line and would like to know where you got your information. I need more than a book title and written by 'church historians.'
I understand that you think that I am dumb for just 'following the spirit', but I do my own research because I love my religion and did go through a hard time when I was not sure that it was true. My testimony will stay the same no matter what mistakes the early men of the church made. They are still men, still make mistakes. I know Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and that he did translate the Book of Mormon that is another testiment of Jesus Christ. I may not understand why my leaders do what they do or why early leaders made mistakes, but I do know that they were good men and tried their best to be all that they could be. I have read the entire Doctrine and Covenants, I will be the first to say I don't understand a good portion of it, but it tells the history of the church in a beautiful way, not everything mind you, but a good portion of it.
I have also read books about church history from prophets and apostles that have moved me and also raised new questions to bring to the Lord in prayer.

Matumbo on :

I feel I am getting dumber with each coversation we have. I would suggest if you want to find out about your church books and authors you try google. I am not available to read and translate your church books to you.

About the wine, I could care less ether that Joseph smit was a drunk, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the man who made up the mormon fantasy and creator of all the mornon rules, but did not follow these rules himself.
If you want to follow this despicable, lying, hypocrite pig, go for it, you live in a free country... for now.

Mitch Romney is an elite mormon whore who will promise anything to get elected, but will take his orders from the mormon "leaders".

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo, What exactly makes Jospeh Smith a lier and a hypocrite? He was a man and made mistakes as much as any of us. I will not try Google for research on my own religion because I know about the anti mormon sites and how easy it is to find misinformation about Mormons. I do not need you to retranslate my own scripture for me because I already know how to read it for myself I only wanted to know the name of the 'church historian' or historians who wrote this book, it should not be hard to find in the book if it is not on the cover. I don't know what happened to you to create such a powerful hate for my religion, and I hope that some day that will ease. All I can say is that I am sorry that you were hurt somehow by the church. I am not stupid despite your beliefs of me, I just think differently form the way you do.

E. Matumbo on :

If joseph smith was just an ordinary "man" then yes he can make mistakes. However according to the mormon book of hocus pocus, joseph smith allegedly took orders and instructions directly from God, and therefore should not be open to mistakes. Mormons have placed joseph up on the pedestal of infallibility right next to Jesus Christ and God. Bring-em Young even says that Joseph Smith will be there on judgement day judging us along with God. I wonder if Paula and Randy will be there too. Hope not I can't sing worth shit.

I digress. I can tell you one thing for sure that if God appeared to me personally and told me not to drink coffee and wine, you can bet your rice crispy square eating ass that I wouldn’t take one sip. That would be pretty much a deal maker for me. Joseph smith on the other hand orders up a few bottles of wine to help ease his nerves while knowing that he may likely be face to face with God in the next few hours. If he was telling the truth why would he take the chance of having to explain why he contradicted a direct order and risk Gods wrath. This one small incident is more than enough to call him a hypocrite and question the veracity of his story. The simple answer is that it is BS.

Mormons like you think that if you leave the church it is because of being offended or hurt. That bullshit is just to make them feel better about having to stay in the church. I left because Joseph smit is a false prophet and a fraud and therefore the entire church he made up is NOT BE TRUE. I witness to you that the mormon church is NOT true.

You say you will not use google because of the fear of misinformation on mormonism. I have one question. How in the fucking hell did you get to this site then?? If you don’t want to use google to look for a book series published by deseret books, then go ask for the series at your ward library. Further, I’m not sure I would say that I think you are stupid. Just obtuse, but obtuse is a characteristic of mormonism. To be a mormon you must check reality at the door. On second thought, stupid may work.

All I can say now is that I am done responding to any more of your batshittiness until you “go do some research”. Come back with something that is not just a feeling, a prompting, a still small voice, or a spiritual experience. Bring something real.

John on :

The amount of energy invested in this page only adds to the sad
and pathetic life waste that is all religion.
If dumb yanks elect that Mormon twat I would feel delighted if it ignited a giant war with another dumb bunch of total idiots and the lot of you cancled each other out.
Do your selves a favour religious idiots and take a self inflicted shortcut to your maker?
Fucktards?

Tricia on :

I had class mate/sort of kind of friend who's Mormon. The day she told me that they believe that "Now on this Earth," is paradise. I knew something didn't sound right. I replied well, if now is Paradise then I wonder what hell is like cuz sometimes here & now on this Earth is like living in hell! Lol, I knew something was wrong when she never answered my calls after that!

Me, I try Not to be pulled into any religion or religious groups. One factor I follow is all of these religious stuff was/is written by the hand of men & therefore flawed.

What I believe in is myself & I give credit to those that actually did something to get that credit! Thank God/Goddess/deity is not written in my vocabulary!

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo,
A feeling or prompting is very real, what do you think your consious is and intuision? I have told you I do my research and the way I found this site? One of my coworkers told me about it and I wanted to see what it was all about. I did not say that everyone leaves the church because they are hurt, some do leave because they lose their testimony and if that is what they want to do more power to them. We as a church want people to be happy. I do not doubt that you have found some very good information, but it is mixed with bad. Joseph Smith did not comunicate with God directly, he prayed to him in Christs name just like every other christian does to recive personal revelation. He was a fallable man, he lost the first pages of the book of mormon because he was swayed by man and did not listen to God's warning the first three times he asked the Lord if the manuscript could be taken and shown to others. Because of this mistake we do not have Lehi's book and it is also why 1 Nephi spends a bit of time going over what Lehi had already said.
John, I am not going to vote for Romney just because he is mormon, I am not even sure if I will vote for him.
Tracia, I think your friend learned some false doctrine, paradise is not on the world right now, that will not happen until the millenium after the apocolyps. I agree that the Bible and Book of Mormon was written by man and is flawed to a point, but it is also guided by the hand of God and has much truth to it.

Anonymous on :

Smith said that the Lord told him his sins were forgiven, that he should obey the commandments, that the world was corrupt, and that the Second Coming was approaching Smith asked them "O Lord, what church shall I join” In answer, “I was told that "all religious denominations were believing in incorrect doctrines, and that none of them was acknowledged of God as his church and kingdom." All churches and their professors were "corrupt",and "all their creeds were an abomination in his sight." Smith was told not to join any of the churches, but that the "fullness of the gospel" would be known to him at a later time.

Elder Matumbo on :

Quote from Nicky post 367:
"Joseph Smith did not comunicate with God directly, he prayed to him in Christs name just like every other christian does to recive personal revelation."

Here is an excerpt taken from the story of joseph smiths first vision. These are JOSEPH SMITHS words taken direclty from the official LDS website:

"My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)--and which I should join."

It continues to be apparant that like most mormons, Nicky does not have the slightest clue with regard to the basic tenants of her religion.

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo,
Yes he spoke directly with God once, that was a poorly stated comment and for that I am sorry I should have made that more clear. I do know and understand my church Elder Matumbo. I might not be a scriptiorian like I wish that I was, but I do know my religion, I know that Christ is my savior, I know that Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God, I know that the Bible and Book of Mormon are true Testiments of Christ, I believe in the plan of salvation that makes it possible for families to live together forever and I know that at the last day if my works are sufficiant enough I will be saved in the Kingdom of God, the same with all of those who have done their best to follow God's commandments.

Anonymous on :

Pretty key statement to get wrong ya think?

Mormons teach flip-flopping in sunday school. Mitt Romney wrote the manual for them.

BTW Your tesitmony means nothing outside of the bubble. I "know" that mormons are completely fucking retarded, and you are doing an awesome job proving it for us.

rocco on :

You guys have a guy running for the highest office in the world and he's a fucken mormon. MY GOD

Really on :

Really? You people have nothing better to do then hate on other people and their beliefs? Grow up and do something worth while.

SECRET MORMON TEMPLE CEREMONY on :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udew9axmdM

If you don't think mormons are fucking retarded now, watch this video.
This is a hidden camera video.

Robbie on :

@ “Really”
I’m extremely familiar with the psychological reasoning which puts forth such an unfounded statement as yours and therefore tend to believe you are indeed being sincere i.e. in this case defending the right of people to believe in and hold sacred what they wish without criticism, ridicule or scorn.
If this is the case then I think you’ll find that most people on this forum who’ve spoken out negatively against Mormonism (as well as theism and other supernatural beliefs) would actually half agree with you.
The crux being (and to paraphrase Tim Minchin) “history has taught us [this] - that if too many people hold a thing or a person or an institution sacred then they are by definition beyond criticism. And unfortunately, it seems [that] when humans get beyond criticism, they seem to slip inexorably towards corruption.”
One other major point that needs to be made here and I ask you directly –
Do you really think/believe that the promulgation of institutionalised bullshit to children is humane?
Do you really believe that religion should continue without any fear of reproach or accountability into the C21st?
And do you really believe that what is factually ridiculous should never be ridiculed?

Elder Matumbo on :

Robbie you sesquipedalian stylist!

I fear that you are firing far above the average mormon intellect though. Mormons will have lost you at "psychological reasoning".

half baked MORONS on :

LEARN MORE ABOUT IN WHICH YOU SPEAK BEFORE SPEWING SUCH BULLSHIT ON A CRAPPY ASS FORUM. ALL RELIGIONS HAVE HERE FAULTS. BUT BEFORE JUDGING ANY OF THEM LEARN IN FULL DETAIL WITH AN OPENED MIND ABOUT WHAT THEY BELIEVE; INSTEAD OF TALKING NONSENSE TO A BUNCH OF CLOSE MINED FOOLS SUCH AS YOURSELVES.
IF YOU THINK IM PASSING JUDGMENT OF YOU TO SOON THEN GOOD, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING OTHERS. BUT HEY, NOT LIKE ANY OF YOU DUMB SHITS WOULD KNOW BUT THAT'S ONE THING ALMOST EVERY RELIGION TEACHES YOU...... FREE WILL; SO GO AHEAD AND BE RETARDED YOURSELF AND MAKE EVERYONE KNOW YOU ARE WHEN YOU OPEN YOUR FAT TRAP.

ole Jorgensen on :

Comment for main article: (Please - Im Danish - not English speaking, or more
important here - writing)

"The fact that we have a presidential candidate that believes this crap is almost as offensive as our current president that believes this crap."

We over in the old countries are more than offended - we are frightended. And it seams that most of you're presidents are very religious (or belive in astrolygy) - I love america (Im Danish - if u wondered) But you're chooises in candidates for the thron of the world (So to speak) is frankly very strange - why do u want superstious renagades to run this power???

"If the level of sophistication required to brainwash millions of people into a religion was displayed by Smith, we all have the capacity to start a religion."
We do - i'm serious considering that prospect - not for fame or power - just for money - so mostly like all other religions - and sadly power in the US.

Regards Ole - And I relly do like the US of A - Just not the heading of it (that goes for my country as well)

Lamar Marcum on :

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Stev on :

Believing in someone else's ancient mythological delusion is ridiculous across the globe, regardless of the actual tenants. For example, in the Western World, anyone, even the most evangelical devout christian, would casually and without a second thought, dismiss Greek, Roman, Norse, Mesoamerican, Asian, etc.. religions and gods, without knowing ANYTHING about them, right? The irony is that they don't see that their religion is exactly the same. Ancient fairy tale mythology that they are simply emotionally attached to, and that's it. Mormonism is just as ridiculous as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Astrology, Zeus, Anubis, Thor, whatever... they're all based on emotional delusions and not based in any shred of evidence, and in fact are just ludicrously contradictory to everything we have observed and understood so far about the universe and ourselves. Not only that, Christianity specifically is extremely morbid and sadistic. With all of their claims about the preciousness of children and innocent life, you'd think they'd maybe re-examine the concept of teaching innocent children they are somehow bad, evil, unclean, deserving of punishment, sinners, etc.. and that who (or rather, 'what') created them, manifested him/herself, killed him/herself, to save his creation from himself? That is extremely perverse and grotesque, and yet its totally fine to teach to impressionable young children. Actual science though, (evolution)? Nah! Lets elect people to teach morbid disgusting mythology to our students instead! That should help us compete with all of the other countries in the world.. oh wait, we're LAST in education. fuck religion and religionists.

FAUX SNEWS on :

News Alert:

Romney announces that he will change name from USA to United States of Latter Day Saints.

Baptism for the Dead to be performed in Lincoln bathtub.

ohimynameisflubbawub on :

I feel like this is getting too complicated... I'm catholic, but that doesn't mean I respect EVERY belief we have. I mean, just look at Leviticus. It says if a woman cheats, she should be stoned to death, and if you eat pork, you are considered "unclean". A lot of these principles aren't applied today. And sure, some of the stuff in the Bible is hard to believe, but I hate how literally everybody takes it. No, Adam did not make Eve from his actual rib. That would hurt like a bitch. And they were NOT talking to a freaking snake. If one looks at alternate translations of the Bible, he will see that the word for "serpent" is also the word for "sorcerer". And the whole "forbidden fruit" thing is conceptual. Okay, yeah, Mormon's are stupid as shit, and some religions are actually pretty respectible. But there's only one pope, bitches. And he's Catholic. Peace (or war, or whatever the fuck you want lol).

Robbie on :

@flobberlobberlob
Yes, thinking is hard – far easier to remain subscribed to your death cult of choice when you can cherry pick all the ‘good’ bits and ignore all the ‘bad’ bits of scripture.
At least the inerrantists who hold true to Leviticus serve their imaginary god with more integrity than the average hypocritical Moderate – who incidentally inadvertently props this lunatic fringe.
Yes Mormon beliefs are as stupid as shit, but no less stupid than entering into the semantic quagmire of trying to interpret 2000 year old blueprints on morality so that they fit nicely into our C21st paradigm.
So up yer bum!

(@ Elder Matumbo “sesquipedalian stylist” my arse! ;-)

Lily on :

Sorry, but all religions are 'retarded' There is no proof of the existence of God. To me any believer in any faith needs a serious head examination. It's all wishful thinking. All you need is one tiny ounce of common sense and the whole of every religion falls apart, especially Mormonism, which was all about Joseph Smith's insanity and his need for multiple sexual partners and to control women and the world/people around him. Total nut.

Anonymous on :

Don't be sorry Lily it's the truth

Dee Dee on :

Lily, don't be sorry. Facts are facts as you stated in your post.

Elder Matumbo on :

I heard that Mitch Romney got a blessing from the mormon prophet telling him that he would "fulfill his destiny to become leader of zion"

Mitch Romney tonight: "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?"

LMAO on :

This is the funny shit ever! Mormons are the biggest FUCKING RETARDS in the world! How can you actually believe that shit? How stupid do you have to be to believe the Mormon religion? Let me answer that, pretty fucking stupid! So stupi you should probably just kill yourself for being so easily brainwashed in the fakest religion ever to find its place on this planet.

FUCK ALL MORMONS!

Robbie on :

Congratulations America! - the rest of the word (all bar Pakistan and Israel so I hear) salute your decision :-)

Umbrian on :

Mormon's suck big time. Retarded shit they believe in. Then they get stupid women to use as sperm trash baskets. They are all so stupid. Mitt Romney eat shit in hell you stupid bitch.

Nicky on :

Wow LMAO, So what exactly about Mormonism is so stupid? Thats your entire arguement so might as well tell us what is stupid instead of just stating it.

Elder Matumbo on :

I know the question was for LMAO, but I would like to offer a suggestion to why we think mormons are stupid.

Mormons stupidly believed that America would elect a mormon president.

Apparantly, it appears that God does not concur with mitch romneys blatant lies or religious beliefs.

We tried to warn you.

Not impressed with any of this bullshit on :

This is the most unintelligent babble it have ever seen. Who the fuck cares what you extreme right and left wing assholes say. Fuck you all.

Nicky on :

I have news for you Elder Matumbo, I didn't vote for Romney, just because he is mormon doesn't mean that every mormon voted for him, it was our choice to make.

Elder Matmbo on :

Nicky, you are flirting with excommunication admitting that in public.

Utah: Romney 72.75%
Idaho: Romney 64.51%
Wyoming: Romney 68.61%

If you check the population stats in these states, you will find that the percentage of mormons closely match the popular vote.

Perhaps not EVERY mormon voted for mormon mitch, but most did based solely on his religion. As LMAO points out, voting for a candidate based on religion is both ignorant and stupid.

BTW
What happened? Is it possible that God does not share the mormon version of manifest destiny? How could God ignore all those prayers from mormon temple recommend holders? I am quite certain mitch romneymust have appeared on most temple prayer rolls??

Elder Matumbo on :

Nicky, just a reminder that even though I think your religious beliefs are backwater batshit, I still respect that you have the spine to come back here and try to defend the lunacy. I have hope for you.

Mormons for Mitt on :

Associated Press:
"Romney's candidacy focused intense attention on the faith. Last Sunday, television crews from around the world filmed at Mormon Sacrament Meetings in Utah and Massachusetts. It was a regular monthly day of fasting and prayer, and faithful told reporters they were fasting and praying for a Romney presidency."

Nicky on :

Mormons for Mitt, That is very unfortunate that those members said that we have been asked by the First Presency has asked us to decide for ourselves who to vote for they have never told us who to vote for before.
Elder Matumbo, God would never take away the agency of those who think Obama should be President. We are told in the last days that the Constitution will hang by a thread. Honestly I belive that time is not far off.

Elder Matumbo on :

Nicky, my question was not about mormons being pressured to vote for Mcromney (they were), I asked why God did not answer all the mormon prayers and blessings pleading for a mormon president? If God ignores all those requests, why would God answer prayers to cure my grandmothers hemorrhoids. It is obvious God does not want a mornon president, and I suspect there will not ever be another chance.

As for the 'Constitution hanging by a thread" comment? It is interesting that you would bring up this White Horse Prophesy made up by Jo smith.

Read below that since joseph smith, mormons have believed that running the country is their right and destiny:

"The White Horse Prophecy is a statement purported to have been made in 1843 by Joseph Smith, Jr., founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, regarding the future of the Latter Day Saints (Mormons) and the United States of America.
Mormons expect the United States to eventually become a theocracy dominated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).[2][3] The authenticity of the prophecy was not made public until long after Smith's death"

Anonymous on :

I BARE MY TESTOMONY THE MORMON CHURCH IS TRUE, THE MORMON PROPHAT WILL ONE DAY LEAD THE WORLD. WE KNOW THIS FROM THE.DOCTERN AND COVENANTS. GODS TRUE WORDS

Dee Dee on :

to Anonymous,
How many times a day and for how many years have you said that statement. Has to be burnt in your brain by now. Robot robot robot. SAD SAD SAD you can't see what has been done to you

Johanna on :

I just ended up googling "mormons are stupid" and this is the website that I got. I was surprised as I scrolled down at some of the accusations made by people about the LDS religion. Point: LDS and Mormon Fundamentalists are completely different. Mormon Fundamentalists, like the show "Sister Wives," often involve a man "needing" three wives to become a god in the spiritual realm. While this is ahem retarded, I just wanted to point out the difference.
I also wanted to make a statement to what post 399, Anonymous said. According to St. John in Revelations, the "beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns..." blah blah blah. What John meant is that the sea is the political world. Yes, even WAY back then, they had politics. So to this, I must say that the one way I know if someone could rule the world, his rise would have to be through politics. Sorry, but this therefore proves that mormonism is not in likeness with Christianity.
I was a Christian for many years. Now, I like to refer to myself as a "nothing." Not athiest, agnostic, buddhist, whatever. I'm nothing. However, I have read both the book of mormon and the bible. There is ACTUAL proof that Jesus walked the Earth, whether he was the son of God or not is entirely up to you, but there is proof (just as there is proof of Noah's ark, blah blah blah).
My point being, Mormonism IS a CULT. It is not associated with any religion other than itself. Somehow, Joeseph Smith just thought that God would want to change his religion after 1800 years. "Oh yeah, Holy Spirit. I think this Joe Smith guy looks great. Let's tell him alllll about it." Haha. Whatever.

Viv on :

I don't think mormons are retard. They believe in god which is good isn't it? Anyway, I don't know what you have against mormons. Its ur life though. You can think what ever you want. Mormons rock. Im just trying to stuck up for them.

Nicky on :

Elder Matumbo,
I don't care that a mormon president will probibly never happen, to me I never expected Mitt to win. As for prayers and faith that supposedly all Mormons had for Mitt to win so they could have a mormon president, well we can move mountians by faith, but it needs to be in accordence with God's will. Sometimes we get so focused on what we want we forget that God is on a completely different time line than we are. I was born two and a half months prematured, both my mother and I should have died that night but because of God's love we were both saved. Others are not so lucky. My aunt had twins die and wanted kids for years but still has none, God does answer our prayers, but it does not always mean that we will get exactly what we want from God, it just means that he will soothe our troubled heart and help us understand.
Johanna, Thank you for making the clarification between Fundamentalists and the LDS(Mormon) church. We are two very different churches. I would like to know why you still believe the LDS church is a cult. What have we done or believe to earn that name? If you were to do some research into our religion you would find that we are very similar to the Jews and we think of ourselves as Christians. We believe in Christ and have faith in him and his second comming.

Elder Matumbo on :

So what you are saying is that if all the mormons pray to move a mountain, and it dosen't move, it must be Gods will that the mountain did not move. However if you take enough dynamite, you can certainly move those same mountains regardless of Gods will. So you are saying dynamite is more powerful than God? Must be.

"If you were to do some research into our religion you would find that we are very similar to the Jews and we think of ourselves as Christians. "

So which is it? Are you very similar to the Jews? or, do you think of yourselves as christians? You can't be both. I wonder if Jews would agree.

Oh So True Says on :

all i have to say is GOD should have never created so many FILTHY WHORES AND LESBIANS TODAY, and what a waste of humanity that they are.

Jack on :

I've lived in Utah my whole life. I was raised in a mormon family and was active until about 1 year ago. (I'm 19 years old) I know a lot about the religion and can talk to the smartest people in the religion about any topic and all I can say is while mormons are good at heart, they are fucking ignorant judgemental assholes. Mormons are honestly ugly people who don't see past their point of views. I can't stand being around them because of how closed minded they are.

Bill Says on :

speaking of fuckin retards, that certainly describes most of the women out there now.

making no since on :

hahahahha as a black Mormon i just sit back and laugh i have showed some of this
crap to other Mormon and they laughed as well honestly we cant get mad for peoples stupidity you guys spin all day on the computer ranting and bashing a religion you guys dont understand calling us retarded is just down right dumb lets face it catholic priest rape little boys Baptist pasters go around Preaching about helping the poor but they live in 500,000 dollars houses and aren't helping the the poor and screw the wives of men that go to there church while there at work Jewish DENIED that a man named Jesus ever existed (which is stupid in its own right because roman document have stated that there was a man name Jesus from Nazareth who they had condemned to death on the cross and you have more respect for them then us and pastafarians...... really thats the best comic insult you could think of ive heard better from a cereal box but i dont go around ranting how stupid they are no Mormon does cause we where taught that everybody has there own religion and to be kind to them for that and that we are all children of god and if you are an Atheist we all come from one single sell organism have any of you actually sat down and read the book of Mormon and not go off of second hand reports on our beliefs when you do get back to me and at the end of the day if what you say what we believe is retarded and you are Christian almost all of us live a very calm and sane life we repent and we go out and help and follow the commandments so what we believe wont matter cause we have excepted Jesus into our life as our savior there wouldn't be any thing and thus will be saved by "Grace" alone and to the Atheist why does it matter to you if what we believe in if you guys are so rooted on the thesis of if we are wrong that when we all die there is nothing after that it shouldn't mater what we believe in cause if what you say happens there'd be no loss cause there'd be nothing and we would have no memory of what we said cause there will be no memory but id hate to be you if you where wrong and back on the thing of ranting and bashing My religion instead of saying it behind the computer scene stop beeing a coward and say it out loud and proud to a Mormons face and if you need a Mormon face to say it to come see me in Richmond Virginia or email me at gardleyjacwes@gmail.com to get the address if you are feeling froggy

Robbie on :

@ making no since.
All religious belief is retarded, it's just that yours takes the biscuit as being one of the most ridiculous and intellectually fraudulent for reasons that are evidentially clear.

Btw Nazareth didn't exist during the (proposed) time of Jesus. And yes there are Jews who believe Jesus didn't exist, just as there are Jews that believe he did. Either way the evidence wouldn't stand up in a court of law.
Right off now to simultaneously covet my neighbours ass, wife and daughter- Laters...

PS suggest you don't post under the influence of speed again or at least come up for air once or twice.

Elder Matumbo on :

@making no since (or sense)
You identified yourself as a Black mormon. I am happy to see that discrimination no longer exists in mormonism. Black mormons seem to be just as ignorant and illiterate as the white ones.

I also noted that you have "excepted" jesus from your life. We already know that mormons are not christian, but thanks for confirming.

BTW Here is an example of one of your fellow mormons who, as you say is "calm and sane, reads the book of moron and follows the commandments:

Michael Crapo, the unfortunately named Republican senator from Idaho, was arrested early Sunday morning in Alexandria, Virginia for drunk driving. After reportedly running a red light and failing multiple sobriety tests, Crapo was taken into custody and booked at the Alexandria jail.

Must have gotten into the sacramental wine from the SLC deseret winery.
Typical mormon hypocrite.

Anonymous on :

OK! Shut up fag and take that convicted pedophile Jeffs with you.

making no since on :

you both sound so dumb @Rbbie the fact that you think i do speed is beyond me if you would know any thing REAL Mormons dont do drugs drink alcohol or smoke its called following the word of wisdom how about you do this instead of acting like a big shot and insulting me why dont you TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS AND READ A BOOK THAT DOESNT CLOUD YOUR JUDGEMENT when it comes to knowing the truth and dont rant about how the book of Mormon clouds my judgment because i always look for things that contradict and what you basically think just because scientist who(and dont get me wrong i love the work scientist do) believe that there was nothing and then out of know where a biiiiiig cosmic explosion happened and then there was something and first of all explain to me the beliefs that we have that are so outrageous and @Elder Matumbo first Discrimination NEVER existed in the Mormon church that is if you talking About the Mormon Fundamentalist who still dont except black to this day or any other minority race and just like i told MR. Robbie over there that insulting me is not going to make your smarter then me because trust me i dont even think you know what the word ignorance means and my friend im far from illiterate and FYI that is such big talk from someone BEHIND A COMPUTER DESK Prove to me that Mormons are not Christians we excepted him as our Saviour from day one we say our prayers the same way any other Christian does we quote him like every other Christian we read the Bible like every Christian does so yes we are we will continue to be and we have been Christians and this proves how much you know about Mormonism do better research Michael Crapo is a Mormon fundamentalist i know his story and that wine joke thats also Mormon fundamentalist the church im apart of the Mormons you guys so joyfully get mixed up with the fundamentalist version we dont drink wine doing our sacrament its water just plain good old clear water because as i said before we follow something known as the word of wisdom in which we dont drink alcohol so whose the ignorant one now

oh also to all of you if you hate my religion so much why waste your breath is it the mere fact you guys dont have girlfriends wives families um um i dont know maybe a JOB your not going to change a true Mormons mind do better research i mean its not like we are putting a gun to your hear and saying convert now unlike you we care for every one no matter what we think of your views we are all gods children and to you atheist we are all human who breath the same air we let you guys walk around and believe what you want so why dont you give us the same right

Robbie on :

Sorry Mr Nonsense, my intellect doesn't extend far enough to understand the point you're driving at.

making no since on :

the point im Driving at is unlike to contrary Beliefs which is not so in most cases Im not trying to prove that what you believe is stupid whether your atheist or of a different religion all im saying is that MY church reputation is being ruined because of another church with the same name has said and done some pretty stupid stuff only thing im trying to do is educate you on my beliefs and i must apologizes for earlier my intentions where just to correct but i became angry all im saying is You practice what you want and the only thing we ask is for you to respect the fact thats what we are just trying to do we dont mean any harm to you this beliefs that we are bad and or stupid people is beyond me when you take the time to meet a real Mormon you'll find out we are not that bad people and the thing is when it comes down to it every one talks about religion starts wars no bashing not excepting someones culture or beliefs does and thats what half of you are showing now that you are unable to except someones beliefs and culture and leave them well enough alone to believe what they want

Elder Matumbo on :

Making no since, you claim to be literate, but a pretty basic concept of literacy is the use of some sort of punctuation. I think Robbie tried to give you a hint, but it appears to have flown over that sharp intellect of yours. I guess that you are a convert to mormonism as that would explain your severe disconnet from the history of you religion.

Rather than debate each of your points, I would suggest that you review some of the previous posts where you will find most of your run-on statements refuted with facts.

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Welshdragon on :

If only all sides in this crazy argument were to stand back, logically and objectively spend some time contemplating the truthfulness and credibility of the Mormon faith.
There is no right or wrong. Or black or white, Only in true faith of a religion that we are offered of our own free will, can we truly be-leave. The Mormon Church is accused of directing and controlling its members and setting itself outside the accepted circle of christian beliefs.
So are all the millions of members of the church brain washed into believing the Joseph Smith doctoring and today directed by their leaders to totally disregard any evidence that question the validity of their faith.
The major question here is to allow yourself to think. Is my faith answering all the questions. .

me on :

Whatever. i hate people who critisize mormons or any other religions for that matter. u people r just plain wrong. mormons r the best. at look at u hypocrits who swear and then talk about mormons luke that. just plain wrong!

Dog Bless on :

I skimmed this hilarious and often shockingly ignorant thread (eg, the "godly" Mormon who shrieked that even disabled people had more morals... HAHA!).

The biggest take away I have are the people who cry about "you have to give me my rights!" and "you have to give them the same rights!"

I'm sorry... what authority do I have to give anyone rights? Your right is to believe what you want. My right is to say what I want (within legal reason). What rights does any private citizen take way from you by formulating a disagreement and simply typing it?

Goodness gracious people and "they're my rights! so give 'em to me!" are stupid in the brain.

And what about the prevailing notion above: "let them alone to believe what they want. It's not harming anyone." Ask California gays if the Mormons didn't directly attack them. And what about my cell phone bill? I was getting desperate woeful call center calls from out-of-state cultists pleading on behalf of Jebus to vote YES on 8. Fucking hypocritical morons.

Cherri Olmeda on :

u my good sir can be a fudge paking homo

Logically Frightened on :

I'm terrified that, if you can be brainwashed into believing that the planet Kolob exists, you could be brainwashed into thinking and believing ANYTHING, not to exclude the reward of 72 virgins upon the completion of whatever task your 'leaders' might assign you.

Also, Mormons will never rule my world. I invite you to try. I think you might end up like the scam artist you so blindly follow.

Good day, retards.

Welshdragon on :

Being a Mormon is like being Man Supporter or a Red Socks fan they can never be seen to ding any wrong.
The Mormon cult propaganda machine constantly strives to control the thoughts and actions of its grass roots members. In my eyes anyone should be free to follow any religion they choose.
In the Mormon church there is very little freedom of choose, fifty five thousand young men and women with titles like Elders,priests and missionaries roam all four corners of the world seeking out new members and converting Christians to becoming pup pits controlled by the cult. Mormon families are directed in every way how to led their lives. Through their scriptures and leadership doctoring there is no opportunity for members to allow their minds to open to thoughts and truths regarding their faith..
Most Mormons are so unknowingly tied up and bound up by this cult they are afraid to question or leave.
The answer is not to discuss on a one to one basis but to offer what the church will never do. Provide the truth,let its members know how it functions,Its monies and political activities. Look at the millions of items out there on the internet.
One thing if you decide to seek the truth about the cult and church do not use the official churches web, use an independent like Google

Elder Matumbo and the Case of the missing mormon on :

Just a few weeks ago, this mormon dude named Matthew went missing on his way to work at a bank. His wife reported him missing and the mormon militia went into action. They were searching random hi-way ditches, fields, barns and even had some mormons who had planes out searching from the air. The odd thing was is that they had NO clue as to which direction this guy may have gone, but they prayed and then searched where the "spirit" guided them.
They did not find him, but the police did. The police found his car out in a sketchy area of a city about 3 hours away from home. The side window was broken out and his wallet, his cell phone and a pack of smokes were still in the car. About 3 am the next morming the cops found him in a hotel. He told a story of how he was kidnapped. It was found out that he made of the story of the kidnapping and staged the car to look like he was attacked. He was charged with public mischief and lying to police.

The mormons have been pretty tight lipped, but it has leaked out that he was on the verge of a nervous breakdown because of the inordinate stress put on him by his religion and the mormon religious zealots from the largly mormon town he lives in. In retrospect I believe the mormons may have had a clue that he was trying to breakout, and they pulled out all the stops to ensure that did not happen. These people really do pressure each other to be someone they are not. Some have no choice but to crack. Others just live seperate lives living one life in front of other mormons and another life when away. I still hold to the rumor that he was found in the hotel with a bong and a philipino lady boy but that may just be speculation on my part.

I feel sorry for this dude and I hope he uses this to break away for good. Most religion is dangerous, but the mormon cult especially so. They are trapped hypocrite rats in the mormon bubble.

weirpoewi on :

Wrong. Real evangelicals do not do drugs, alcohol and do not smoke.

Scar the Eternal on :

i just have to say to all the people that say "there is no evidence it doesnt exist" the burden of proof lies on the person trying to prove the existence of something... not the one saying it doesnt exist, how exactly does someone prove that something doesnt exist if it doesnt exist? the fact that there is zero evidence this religion is real, and zero evidence of god outside of your singular perspective is evidence of non existence... in other words... the fact that there is no evidence is the evidence that proves the non existence... no amount of faith or belief changes objective reality... just because you dont understand the origin of the universe does NOT automatically make the answer god... perception does not create reality...

anonomys on :

The Mormon religion is stupid. I am a born again Christian and i know Mormanism is crap. Christian is not a religion, it is trust. Christianity is trusting Jesus as your savior. That means you trust That Jesus died on the cross for your sins. You got to get saved. That is basically saying a prayer to God, you lord and savior Jesus Christ into your heart.Jesus said ye must be born again. Nicodemos said how? Jesus said not in the flesh but in a spirit, the wind blows you dont know where it comes from or where it goes and it is when the spirit enters you.That is being saved. When the holy spirit is in you, in your heart, lives within you forever.No one can take that away from you. You are assured to go to Heaven for eterinty. You will have everlasting life.It doesnt matter what religion you are it is always good to be saved.I hope i can convert some peope to christianity. Ill post more someother time. Sorry for calling Mormanism crap thats just my opinion. Bye bye

Zack on :

I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints and I am here to bear my personal testimony that God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ did vist the Prophet Joseph Smith Jr. and that they reaveled to him the Book of Mormon that are families and ourselfs can become like Him. I promise you that if you read the Book of Mormon with a pure heart and ask your Hevnely Father that if it is not true He will tell you, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

Elder Matumbo on :

dry heave...dry heave...dry heave...dry heave ......VOMIT VOMIT VOMIT.

Ahh.

Anonymous on :

'Mormon church killed her slain lover in blood atonement plot for his sexual sin'

By Daily Mail Reporter

PUBLISHED:06:13 GMT, 9 March 2013| UPDATED:06:14 GMT, 9 March 2013


A friend of accused killer Jodi Arias has claimed the woman's slain boyfriend was not killed by the murder suspect but instead was the victim of a Mormon blood atonement plot.

Arias, 32, is charged with first-degree murder in the June 2008 killing of her lover, Travis Alexander, in his suburban Phoenix home. Authorities say she planned the attack in a jealous rage.

Now a friend of the suspect told Radar Online he believes Alexander was killed by the Mormon church for sexual sins he had committed with Arias.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-

Smash on :

F*ck all of u's.....I'm a KLUSTERFUK !!!!! Hahahaha

Anonymous on :

Ask in prayer for truth,no need be so hatefull to mormons

Anonymous on :

Mountain meadow massacre
First victim murdered by john d lee brighams hit man John d lee was a child, shot in the back while sitting down to breakfast with her family.
The reason for the murders was greed. The group from Arkansas was wealthy.
Seperate yourself from what they tell you and compare to actual history.
GET OUT NOW .

Joe R. on :

#Hahaha I just found this site after googling mormonism is bullshit. There is some pretty hilarious shit on here. I'm a former mormon. That shit was crammed down my throat for 22 years. I even did the mission thing and got married in "the holy temple" lol. What a crock of shit. It was a difficult thing to leave after 22 years of brainwashing but my God, after getting out and seeing the real world and simply studying the religion and history, how on this earth can anyone believe this bullshit? My parents are distraught that I left the church, but I ask them how in this day and age can they actually believe the mormon fairy tale. Anyone with access to the internet has all the information they need to discover how fucked up the religion is. There are so many things I could go into that would (or should) convince you how wrong it is, but from what I have seen people want to hang on to their beliefs. That's fine, but my hell, it makes you look dumb as shit.

randyjoe on :

so tell us what is so secret that goes on in the temple?

and I am glad you got away from that insane cult. I agree with those that question any presidential candidate who would believe that crock

it really is exactly like scientology.

John Samochwal on :

People whose vocabulary is so limited they resort to profanity are the retarded ones

david on :

Science EVOLVES, one persons work upon the next. In this way progress is made. Atheist scientist have developed the tools we live by, the tools you are using in this blog. Religion is just delusion. No hard evidence. 10 Commandments? Why didnt god write them on the moon for all to see? Would have ended the argument. Instead, like most religions, the secrets wre told only to them in a remote area. What con. Man made religions to hold sway over others, period.

Akelantosal on :

Mormons are incredible douchebags. I live in a state where they are all around. They buy up all of the radio stations turning them all Christian, pretty much every business in town has to be pro-Christian/Mormon or they go out of business, and there's a church every 2 blocks. All of their money comes from conning old people. They have hugely funded legal teams, even scarier than Scientology these days. They have recently attacked Youtube in the past few years with pro-Mormon propaganda videos. "I am a Mormon" bullshit showing paid actors pretending to be good nice Mormons in advertisements that aren't just played occasionally in videos, they are displayed EVERYWHERE on Youtube, so you can't even look at Youtube without seeing something pro-Mormon on it.

The Mormon church was founded by Joseph Smith and then continued later by Brigham Young on a concept of "Theodemocracy". This is the theory that our government should be "overthrown and replaced by religion". Look it up on Wikipedia if you don't believe me. I shit you not, they still believe this stuff today but will deny it. Their little mini brainwashing kids walking around in white shirts and ties are called "Elders", which is fucking ridiculous. Little kids have no life experience and can only parrot what their Mormon family tells them to. The church claims being a missionary or "elder" is "voluntary" but this is far from the truth. If somebody is an atheist or Muslim or any kind of non-Mormon in a Mormon family, that person is going to get cut off financially and emotionally forever if they disagree or refuse service. A lot of these assholes have expensive houses and have to follow what their parents do so they don't get cut off. You don't want to be a Mormon like mommy and pappy? Fine, no $500k for you and new Porsche when they die. It goes to the Church instead. These people are seriously evil and want to turn our country into a church state, I shit you not. I live around them and hear what they say. This is why Mormons have been kicked out of half the country for the past 150 years and why Joseph Smith was shot after conning everybody in his church group for all of their money and moving on to the next state. A newspaper started to print what Smith was doing and the Mormon Church attacked it. I have been researching these fucks for years and they are seriously scary. They make Scientologists look like cuddly puppies.


Theodemocracy :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodemocracy

Faith on :

U know that that's super rude of you and the Book of Mormon is true.after I read your paragraph I started crying I prayed and I felt the Holy Ghost I know that he is true no matter what you say Jesus gives us agency because he knows we can chose the right saintan will tempt us to make the wrong choices we don't have to follow him I hope that someday u will feel the same way I do and u delete your web page I have a testimony of Christ so I won't allow saintan to take over my spirit keep the word of wisdom by not drinking alcohol or smoking

Richard on :

Why do you have to pick on retarded people? It is bad enough that they have to go along with this ridiculous religion and all that it requires of them and their families.. AND THEN YOU FEEL YOU HAVE TO GO AND PERSECUTE THEM FOR THEIR STUPIDNESS! That's just plain mean :-(

Anonymous on :

Let me say that the reason they do all those things Elder, Temples...ect you get the point. Is probably because they believe in their religion more then anyone else. By living by Mormans you would be surprised by how many things they do for their church and then you have to ask yourself if all the other churches are true (the church you believe in) then why isn't my church doing that. Mormans obviously have a firm testimony of what they believe in and are ready to defend it. (Previous posts)

Andy.M on :

I mean you guys can say all that you want I don't care my parents gave me the choose to pick my religion and as sad as it is to hear all of your underlying stupid comments I would just like to say that just because you guys believe in something different doesn't mean that your best friend could be any if the religions you dislike you don't have to listen but I dare you to ask all of your friends their religion if one if them says catholic or Mormon you better think twice for you say something like this again! Talk back I don't care but what your starting is a War!!! Andy.M

NOTmormon on :

MORMONS R STUPID, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES R JUST AS STUPID

:-P

Anonymous on :

EVERYBODY REPENT, REPENT YOUR SIN'S AGAINST THE SON OF GOD!!!

Anonymous on :

you are mean .making fun of mormons,the church of Jesus Christ of later day sants is true. i hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeeee you . what a mean person.

Scott England on :

oh... I guess I should pray to know that god endorses your religion just as strongly as a salafi muslim knows that Allah endorses theirs.

Robert on :

If I could, I'd press a button to end the lives of all Mormons. I was baptized, and would give my own life as a price. These adults lied to me, they omitted valid arguments against what they professed. Because of this, I hate them. I will always hate them and will impede them wherever I am. If I got the opportunity, I would kill them... I would kill them all.

alex on :

Its always harsh to rag on people with religion but I guess its just so easy sometimes.

eg on :

anyone who believes what is written on this site is delusional person.
all religions have their weird beliefs, horrible histories, etc. there is a baptist church in texas that teaches and practices racism against any one who is not white, there are the snake churches, there are the t.v. preachers who con poor people out of money, do not forget the catholic little boy loving priests and that cover up, the secret world of the majority of the well known (and lesser known)preachers/ministers of every Christian religion who are secretly homosexual while condemning it and using drugs and prostitutes and running sex rings and having affairs with members of their congregations and mob ties and on and on and on. to condemn just the mormons shows your ignorance and stupidity.

for someone to say they would kill all mormons is a legitimate threat. someone could alert the authorities and track you down, after all who knows what you would actually do. you need to be put away in a mental institution.
all kids parrot what their parents say, regardless of the topic. all the people who commented here are full of crap because the same could be said of what you believe. and try to prove God does not exist.

Carolyn Walker on :

Fuck the Mormons the rotten prices of evil shit deviel worshiping freaks you destroyed my family killed my son my the real God Almighty blow off the face of the earth.you are a very nasty to highest degree enjoy your time here because this is all you get you evil freaks fuck you

Carolyn Walker on :

Hey you freak Mormons tape this you evil fucks and show to everyone Fuck You Î am not afraid of you I ready to die now that you have taking everything turned my kids against me Fuck you the pain you people cause is straight out of hell i just an old woman bring your gang just to take down an old woman you fucking cowards .fuck you and once again Fuck you

Carolyn Walker on :

Fuck you Mormons losing thives I know you liers Istill alive fuckers iI don't for how much longer .how many people have you bastards killed .don't let these mother fuckers fool you they will turn your own family against you.even to the point of murder fucking murders

stonedJim on :

This thread is so fucking funny. I nearly laughed myself off the sofa. The emotion and raw opinion entwined with spiritual people's obviously piqued responses is comedy fucking gold, my friends. I'm watching a program on telly about Mormons at the moment. I've got to read this book. Whoever this dude Joseph Smith is, he's got to be THE original hustler. Speaking of Gold Tablets, I must take my medication. It keeps me sane in this crazed paradoxical world.

Matumbo on :

Hey stonedJim
You are much better off smoking weed than reading the book of Mormon. It is better for your health. Take your meds and forget you ever had that thought. Mormons don't even read that book!

I like how mormons compare themselves to the other batshit religions in an attempt to justify their own existence. All religion is insane but mormons deserve their special place in the fantasy fucked up world of religion. They call that place the "Celestial Kingdom".

Wait a minute on :

Mormons are still around? I thought they all killed themselves to get on the spaceship following the comet. Don't they wear purple Nike sneakers?

NancyFry on :

Didn't read any of this however believe the Mormon mentality should be stopped. wherever I see it I try to intervene, it should be stopped.

af on :

u fking idiotic retards, so ugly

frank on :

Mormonism is an idiotic religion.

frank on :

Mormonism is van idiotic religion.

Scott on :

Well, yes I guess there are some Mormons that are developmentally delayed....as well as many that are incredibly intelligent, not unlike the rest of society. The fact is their whole world revolves around the family and the "church" uses it to enslave them. It is one of the most powerful forces I have ever witnessed because I grew up in it and have since departed. I just couldn't act the part and I pity the true believers. Those that simply play the part are evil. Dallin H. Oaks once said "It is wrong to criticize the leaders of the Church, even if the criticism is true". What an incredibly evil injunction, and coming from a man lettered in the law and highly praised by the legal community. A man once seriously considered for the Supreme Court? The claimed "authority" communicating these presents itself as infallible, yet he clearly states they have a habit of not being so. Does no one see the contradiction? That's just plain bullying and members just take it. I too was beguiled as were so many other Mormon youth by the sports and war stories of Paul H. Dunn and what a liar he turned out to be. I am now a member of the pay my taxes, I'll leave you alone if you leave me alone thank Thomas, George, Patrick and all the other "fathers" for separating church from state....congregation. Oh, and the sign on my house "no soliciting" denotes of ANY kind.

TheBestAnswer on :

Well the way i look at it, God is a Real Retard.

TheThinker on :

Mormons all have SSA(same sex attraction).

turner on :

I read half the wall of text got some good laughs. Ok im blue in the face.

I'd just like to point out that theres alot of insecurities coming out from the sea of words. Bashing each other is not how you get people to learn. Albeit some people cannot learn and have to have someone calling the shots for them.

The new testament teaches us that it is not not our place to judge each other. Judgement and government are two different things. We are better off helping to solve the problem rather than acting exactly like the problems we see. If you have retained any of the scriptures you should know that OUR god encourages us guide the lost. Its a sea of people contstantly racking up tortfeasors against god out there. They may be slanderous, but they are also clueless.

Lets say your boss is a mormon. Lets say hes black also to make this easier on you. And lets say you are white. Now if you study up on the many misguided faults of the mormon religion you will have the wisdom to not only understand why hes so insecure and opressed, but you will also be able have intelligent conversation with the guy everytime he tries to mislead his employees.

Now imagine what would happen when he started listening. If you can send someone on the correct path without compounding the matter then you have truly done a righteous thing. And probably made a friend for life. I know that it is a difficult and frustrating task to try and get the webbs out of someones head. Especially someone who may be at a lower intelligence lever, or has only known one thing for life. Embody the people that need help with your love. Tell them the truth. Even if they scold you for it. Dont budge, and dont force it on them. I dont suggest laughing at a mormom either they are very insecure and very unopen to humble conversation. They tend to scorn helping others that are not inside their bubble.

Help them dont hate them. Study the scripture. Im no preacher. I have to go back and look things up pretty often. Dont pick up their bad attitude. We walk in jesus' footsteps and hope to straighten oht as many as we can along the way.

Just remember thats only our God has the power to judge and forgive us. Not a priest. Not a choirboy. Not a preacher. And certainly not the guy with the most money. Dont ever let someone guilt trip you into forking over your compensation because they say they have holy power over you. We will all pay for our wrongs AND rights. Study it all some are very similar some are downright insanity, and some are straightup made up.

Also keep in mind that we are very selfish as a people, and putting ourself on the same level as God is not only dillusional its blasphemy.

Hope this helps someone...

God, give them wisdom.
Amen

Anonymous on :

Geez, the trolls have finally evolved from being asinine freaks to offensive people. It is okay to dislike any religion, but doing so in a manner or way that is certain to cause annoyance or arguments is wrong. If you have a negative opinion, portray it in a polite way that will allow us to accept your opinions and beliefs. God will forgive you if you have it in you to repent. We're trying to help you.

Liz on :

I'm a Mormon and I completely agree. I've been a Mormon my entire life and am currently 15. Not even an hour ago church pissed me off so bad I just wanted to explode. I want out of this religion so much. And then my 17 year old sister tattled on me for not raising my hand when they asked if I'm going to a one night girls camp this week. I need a way to contain my anger during this time. Let's not forget that they are also sexist, very very sexist. They say we treat each other as equals but in reality we don't. It's obvious that to them girls are lower than boys. They were talking about how Mormons are glad that they aren't hypocrites and that we do everything fairly. Bullshit (yes a Mormon just cussed). I wanted to laugh during that time because what they were saying is so hypocritical. For the past year I've been keeping this inside and I think about ready to snap. I don't know how ill survive girls camp this week. Morons drive me nuts and I brought my friend to a church activity so that Mormons will leave me alone and it worked. They didn't talk to me. I'm doing it again for the dance in two weeks. Overall, I complete agree with this and hate my religion. I hope I can contain my anger just as I've been doing this past year during camp and I really hope I don't snap.

Oh and if your all alone and have no friends around there is a 99% chance that a Mormon will talk to you. Don't be fooled, they pittied you and nothing else. I know because someone at my church pity's me for having no friends there. Of course I have no friends there by choice and she annoys the hell out of me. She even said she misses me after I got out of her class. I fucking hate her and I hate being touched yet she hugs me. She misses me and all she does is says hi in the hallway. Get real, it's logically impossible to miss someone you never see so she needs to stop pitying people who purposefully have no friends.

rob on :

I grew up mormon, from birth. blessed in the church went through it all. Went on a mission, came home and became more devoted than ever. Attended YSA which is boring get togethers for the 20 somethings in the church. To find spouses. Cause that's what you gotta do. It's all part of the culture. And sadly eventually unintentionally cut myself off from my non-mormon friends just because i was so much more committed to being involved with the church. Unfortunately the non-mormon friends were way better friends and more fun to be around than the mormons. Still have some best friends in the church but they're some of the few down to earth ones who are also gradually leaving the church. I really did believe it all and ya mormons will believe anything you tell them. I'm not just saying this but this was my experience and what I see with everyone in the church. It's all based on belief. if you believe Joseph Smith was what he claims to be than you will believe anything. You really do become delusional, but this is how I see religion in general as well, now. Yes no one is perfect and that is supposed to be the goal of religion is work on being a better person, but the amount of hypocrisy is fucked up. It can really mess up young people because they're made to believe you have to live this way and if you can't do it than you gotta try harder. And you feel like shit because you keep fucking up. Well now that i'm an adult I've realized it's impossible to live to the standards of the mormon church. Joseph Smith could;t even do it. And even the mormons in Utah, although surrounded by a huge support system, can't do it. I've seen it first hand. They fuck and party but still attend church and the temple, and do the superficial stuff like read scriptures, pray, all that. Has anyone seen The Book of Mormon yet? So true that these mormons live the good life meanwhile there's millions of people dying and living with war and what are mormons doing to help? Sending missionaries to convert them.
I left the church with my wife in our late 20's, just a few years ago because as we matured we began to see how fucked up it really is. it's not all bad and I wouldn't say I experienced any cult like activity except in the temple. Rituals. But nothing dark. But it is bull shit. i It's all based on believing Joseph Smith. But he has no physical proof to back his story up. He wrote the book of mormon, and mormons say how could an uneducated man write all that. Well how did many authors write the great works they've done. Take lord of the rings and Chronicles of Narnia for example. Joseph had a good imagination, and was intelligent, he also had help and revised the book of mormon several times. These are all facts, not opinion. He also had references borrowed from the bible and used names from near by towns to help elaborate the story. But where are the plates? Where is the archilogical proof? He even clams natives are Laminites from the book of mormon. DNA proves they're from asia. The guy was a conman and he conned us good. There's zoo much more i could go on about, but I just wanted to say I agree with how fucked up it is. And i feel bad for the new converts who defend it because they will learn eventually, if they are actually normal, cause there's also a lot of fucking weird people who join the church. I feel bad that I went on a mission and got people to believe it, but I can't go find them all and tell them I was wrong and I'm sorry. If people are happy in the church, great. But shit, I'm just glad I'm out and my kids won't have to live through what I had to experience.

Joan Clark on :

To all of those above this e mail.Whether you are or have been LDS or any other religion, you have no right or reason or right to criticize a persons belief in God no matter what they call their higher belief system that makes them a better person. Your filthy language betrays you and who you are and what you have become by your belief system, if you have one. If you have a belief system where you recognize a power to whom you recognize as a creator of the planet on which you live with other humans beings,not a person who likens himself as to be above others,you might consider trying to stop degrading others and spend you time and thoughts into making this world a better place for all of us to live with respect,kindness and harmony. Let us all mind our own business and make sure each of us make it our business to make this a better world for all mankind so lacking in society today.

TheRealTruth on :

Then again, why is God such a Retard for making this world the way it is?

Elishia Russell on :

This whole site is truly saddening to see all of the vulgar insults people make up about a religion they just don't understand.This is the kind of world we live in though. I have neve experienced any terrible things during my time as a mormon my only complaint would be that they all seem too happy it can get to be a bit much at times but it just inspires me to try and be happier. To me all religions are based on faith of one form or another,most ask you to take rather large leaps of faith (ex. The world was a blank nothingness until God decided the world should start he put everything in it including a tree he knew his creations would touch because he is all knowing and all powerful praise this being he is the way the truth and the light) mormons could be right or terribly wrong but "retarded"?? What are you 15? The vast magority of these comments are immature as is the site itself.

RealHonestTruth on :

God is so Retarded for making this world to begin with.

Joseph Smith's Brother on :

Mormonism is proof at just how stupid most people are. They are nothing more than mindless sheep who submit to authority without question. History has proven this time and time again. In my experience, they are even more hypocritical than Christians. Joesph Smith proved that any con-artist can start a religion, the 10% of all future income is icing on the cake for me. The closet-homosexual "elders" of the church are laughing all the way to the bank.

Truth on :

Gee Wiz, the trolls have landed.

NoLieAtAll on :

God is a real Moron for making so many women today that are very high maintenance, independent, selfish, spoiled, and very greedy, unlike the good old fashioned women years ago that were the Best which they were so much Easier to meet compared to the Pathetic ones that are out there these days. Another excellent reason why nice guys like us finish last. And there are so many of us great guys out there that are still Single because of this which many of us are Not Single by choice.

Honestly on :

Look at so many Loser women today that God created. Certainly has Ruined us Good men.

The Swami with the Salami on :

Yeah, I'm a Mormon. LMAO

Not a moron on :

LOL!!! This is hilarious!!!
I know having faith is good but what im reading is that some fucking stupid humans have faith in a guy who has proven to lie. Some fucking idiots believe that this retard smith is the only person to read symbols on gold plates that prly dont even exist!!?

lol wow

dumb dumb dumb dumb

Only in America

JACK FROST on :

look u all are fu ckinb wackos!!!!!!!!
PERIOD !
ya all mad !!!!!
U all should seek medical attension!!!!!!!!
\

JACK FROST on :

Mormons are fujkin retards! period !

U all should be castrated !!!!!@
Permanenty.
Cause u are IDIOTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jacob Hamilton on :

Facts? Evidence? Nope, only opionions. Find some facts, write another article, then come talk to me again, douche bag.

ThrRealHonestTruth on :

Well the way i look at it God is definitely a filthy Low Life Scumbag for Not giving me a wife and family that he gave to Millions of other people. Why Not me too? That filthy No Good Jew Bastard.

Dollykins on :

Ah... Is the word, "retarded" even usable anymore? Anytime I see it (even when I agree with the speaker/writer) it seems to undermine everything a speaker/writer says as it makes them appear uneducated.

That said, I agree with some of the sentiment of this blog. The LDS church needs an overhaul. While I don't think it's fair to bash all its members (a lot of them were born into it and brainwashed from childhood and I think there can be good people in the church) I have a hard time believing anyone who stays there stays sane, happy, or both.

I have family on both sides who are Mormon. I have cut them all out of my life. This is a good thing and I have become a happier, better person for it.

I was not raised directly in it (dad's parents tried really hard to make me believe though), but my parents both were and while they stopped practicing after their temple marriage I believe the LDS church's teachings actually made them into dysfunctional people for life.

My parents (mostly) raised my sister and I agnostic. They never officially left the church. We just didn't go (unless we visited grandparents) and were never baptized. Mom and Dad partook in non-Mormon activities when they weren't around their family. I guess you could call them "Jack Mormons."

In both sides of my family I saw loads of physical and some sexual abuse. The men who did it were enabled and put on pedestals. Anytime a wife tried to leave them, other family members would bash or threaten her for being a bad wife.

My mom eventually did leave my father, but she actually enabled him to abuse me and my sister after she left. She did the same with my ex-Catholic stepfather who didn't hurt her, but was very abusive to me.

Reunions were nuts. With my dad's family, I had grown up around it so I was used to it (but got tired of the stupidity after I hit adulthood). I didn't really meet all my mom's family until my mid 20s. It was *crazy*.

Going to Idaho was like being in a 3rd world country. The baby boomer men all seemed shocked I wasn't married and being a broodmare yet—that I actually had a career! My grandmother based my aunt for leaving her abusive husband. My uncle treated all the male cousins like they were little super heroes and the girl cousins were background servants. My dad's family was crazy (his dad broke his kid's/wife's arms), but this took the cake.

My cousins were sweet when they were kids. Then they went on missions and either became vapid or hateful or both. Several tried to convert me and would be defensive and act hurt when I called them on it.

Up to a short period into our adulthood, my parents brainwashed me and my sister into believe LDS is like any other religion. But that isn't true.

I've seen Catholics and Presbyterians and Baptists. I've been in all their churches. Yes, they can be very strict, but there can also be a lot of variation between churches.

But LDS makes a special brand of crazy for all its members—invading all parts of life. You don't get to choose your friends. You don't get to choose what to do in your freetime (ministers will give you "tasks" and frequently that involves converting people). You don't get to choose how big or small your family is—not if you want to go to proper Mormon heaven. If you have Mormon friends, you are expected to convert them.

I tried being friends with a Mormon and an ex-Mormon who were not part of my family. They were both crazy as loons with horrible boundary issues. The Mormon one actually stalked me and my daughter afterwards. I saw that kind of behavior in most every member of my family—except maybe my sister (she has some serious boundary issues though).

I don't want to bash a whole group of people, but it is hard not to judge with my experience, but I am certainly leery around people I know who are Mormon.

Mahonri on :

Joe Smith 'translated' the book of morons by looking in a hat at a magic peepstone. The Gold Plates weren't even used.
He believed American Indians came from Jews - which means we are lucky Romney did not get elected and treat us to the spectacle of him trying to speak Hebrew to tribal leaders.
Mormons are dumber than magic peepstones.

Christopher Lee Hollifield on :

This is blasphemous bullshit and not even acceptable in my Kingdom on Earth with Yeshua as if .upon thus the earth and heaven went to shit which they have now and like Babylonianism better, how would i make young of you?EJKW WHOOPS LOL HEY GOD! Let's lay down the law! Hahahahahahah baaaaa

Truth on :

And who said they Weren't?

The Truth on :

Then again, what about all the Retarded people in this world that God created? Especially when most of them are women nowadays unfortunately.

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